Re: [RE-wrenches] PV water pumping

2011-02-11 Thread Nick Soleil
Hi Jeff: I am familiar with that installation you mentioned, which runs all of the buddhist prayer wheels. We have added an additional 100 KW of PV at that site, and at the new temple, Cintimani. Those Kyocera modules that were installed there failed. I found that about 1/3 of the modules

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter and Larry, Brian's post was correct and consistent with the 2011 NEC. It is not correct to apply both 1.25 factors on the dc side. This has been done for years, but it is inconsistent with the rest of the code. Conditions of use are only applied to maximum current-defined by 690.8(A) as r

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread wirewiz
Very good. Thank you Peter. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Peter Parrish < peter.parr...@calsolareng.com> wrote: > Short answer: DC/PV side two factors of 1.25; AC side one factor. > > Reasons: the common factor of 1.25 is due to the treatment of PV systems as > continuous sources of power, the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Parrish
Short answer: DC/PV side two factors of 1.25; AC side one factor. Reasons: the common factor of 1.25 is due to the treatment of PV systems as continuous sources of power, the second factor of 1.25 is for the "cloud effect". It is entirely possible to get more than 1,000 W/m^2 on a PV module if the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Bill Brooks
To add to Brian's well formulated response, the 2011 NEC is much more detailed and accurate on this subject. Oversizing wire is not a big deal on residential systems, but it is prohibitively expensive in megawatt jobs. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread wirewiz
So you pick a conductor size from 310.16 (90 deg column) and then adjust for conditions of use. That number has to be greater than Isc x 1.25. OCPD has to protect Isc x 1.56. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Brian Mehalic wrote: > Maximum current is defined in 690.8(A) as Isc x 1.25. > > Minimum

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Brian Mehalic
Maximum current is defined in 690.8(A) as Isc x 1.25. Minimum OCPD size is defined in 690.8(B) as maximum current x 1.25 (Isc x 1.56). The maximum size, for PV source circuits, is the module maximum series fuse size. Required conductor ampacity is the greater of Isc x 1.56 or Isc x 1.25 with all

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric SunEye upgrade?

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Parrish
I recently went through the same exercise as you are about three months ago. Our Site Surveyors had mangles the jack on the Model 100 body to the point that there was less than a 50% chance that (1) the unit would charge up adequately and (2) we could download the session to our computer. The fix

[RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread wirewiz
In studying for NABCEP certification I am a little confused about whether you multiply the short circuit current by 1.25 once or twice (1.56) in order to calculate maximum circuit current in determining wire size. Same for overcurrent protection. I have always done it twice (1.56) for both PV s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric SunEye upgrade?

2011-02-11 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Yes, very sensitive to nearby EMFs. And the bugger mistakes clouds for shading! marco Wrenches, I'm considering upgrading my old SunEye 100 to the model 210 this year. Even with the trade-in credit, the 210 costs more than the original SunEye did. I'm interested in hearing from those of yo

[RE-wrenches] Solmetric SunEye upgrade?

2011-02-11 Thread Hans Frederickson
Wrenches, I'm considering upgrading my old SunEye 100 to the model 210 this year. Even with the trade-in credit, the 210 costs more than the original SunEye did. I'm interested in hearing from those of you who have taken this step. Is it worth it? What are the most significant benefits to you? Whi

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV water pumping

2011-02-11 Thread Jeff Oldham
Jay is correct about the economics, but sometimes we must live with them as the only way to increase daily water production. However when the tracker fails they will not be making the daily need anymore and it is far more likely to be left dead than even batteries. In developing communities I ha