Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island vs. XW system - advice requested

2012-08-24 Thread Ken Schaal
When net metering became available in Va. in 2006, we wanted to upgrade and enlarge a Y2K battery backup system using the Trace Power Panel and Kohler 8.5 RMY generator. So we became one of the first on the East Coast, judging from serial number, to use the XW6048. A couple of the early units

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread David Katz
Check to see if their meter goes backwards. Some utility meters actually charge for power when you are selling. Or maybe they have no wind and a new big flat screen tv that they leave on all the time. David Katz - Reply message - From: Jesse Dahl dahlso...@gmail.com To: Wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Exeltech
David may be on the right track. Check for a newer digital watt-hour meter at your customer's location. Newer watt-hour meters have two channels of metering in an attempt to thwart people who used to flip their mechanical meters over (usually at night) and run them backwards to un-use power, and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Jesse Dahl
The system only uses grid power to charge batteries, they have two FX3048T in parallel so I don't think the meter is the issue. They did send me a picture of the two wind towers, one is 20 feet off the ground and one is 60 feet off the ground... No wind would be an understatement. Sent from

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jesse, Are you sure that you even want to take this on? 20' wind tower, 500 watt (rated) machines, four battery strings in parallel - the design itself has enough weakness, based only on the scant information that you have provided, that it might not be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Richard L Ratico
It would be good to know how much energy the wind turbines have been producing, if any, if that information is even available. Eight batteries per inverter? Two separate banks? They installed the system? DIY? In any event, it sounds like a situation you want to approach with caution. The crux of

[RE-wrenches] PV Production Meter on a XW System

2012-08-24 Thread Aaron Mandelkorn
Wrenches, I would like to here some thoughts on monitoring the production a XW in grid tie with battery backup mode. I normally use the Sunny Island for my grid tie with battery backup systems and am considering going with the XW on my next one. Just wondering where in the system one would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
Two 1-kW wind generators doesn't sound like enough to provide energy for a household except possibly in the best circumstances. If there isn't much wind, the system is getting most of it's energy from the grid. The utility bill would go up even if they were using the same amount of energy in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Jesse Dahl
I do not want to take this on! The wind, from what I have gathered is an absolute bust. Just doing a little online research it seems like they are getting next to nothing from the wind generators. From my little understanding of the system and reading replies, I would say they are buying

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread toddcory
i am not understanding the 'wisdom' of using non-grid tie inverters in this application. it is pretty easy to modify the inverters (board change out) to grid tie models, which would allow the inverter's to transfer the loads to the grid (internal transfer switch) and 'sleep' until there is an

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Jesse Dahl
Im with you on the wisdom of it. The problem with my area is that people maybe good a grid tie, but there are very few people that understand the off-grid applications (DT is the only person I think is worth listening to.) The contractor they chose was the only contractor the home owners spoke

[RE-wrenches] Disconnets

2012-08-24 Thread Jesse Dahl
Hello, I've been having a long conversation with a local guy about disconnects that are usable in DC PV circuits. From what I have seen, GE, Eaton... they are usable up to the 250VDC it has listed on the labels, or more if poles are wired in series. The squared D 600Vac/dc is self tested to

[RE-wrenches] Schott mods

2012-08-24 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Anyone knows who still might have a stash of Schott 240s available for sale? Thanks, marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with grid charging

2012-08-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
Jesse, Sometimes the best thing you can do for a customer is document, in writing, what's wrong. And walk away if they aren't willing to fix it. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.com On 8/24/2012 6:36 PM, Jesse Dahl wrote: Im with you on the wisdom of it. The