Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
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Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
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Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-20 Thread Tom McCalmont via RE-wrenches
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Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
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Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-18 Thread Carl Hansen via RE-wrenches
es *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 9:43 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Cc:* drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment I fully agree that off grid solar has taken a major downturn. Once the equipment became software based,

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-18 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
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Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-18 Thread Carl Hansen via RE-wrenches
To:* RE-wrenches *Cc:* drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment I fully agree that off grid solar has taken a major downturn. Once the equipment became software based, the reliability dropped. Sure, there are nice features available with thes

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-18 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
> > > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches > *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 9:43 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Cc:* drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org > *Subject:* Re: [

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Ray Walters via RE-wrenches
I would challenge that inspector's assumption.  It starts becoming precedent if you don't.  I have challenged many rulings, and have lived to tell the tale.  There's a process and you just politely go through the process.  Often just mentioning that I will challenge a particular assumption

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Dan Fink via RE-wrenches
Jay - Despite the exceptions in NEC 480.3 and 706.5 for lead-acid not needing to be Listed, and the maximum capacity exception for lead-acid in IFC 1206.2.8.3, one of our local AHJs is now insisting that ALL residential ESS, including lead-acid, even off-grid with no utility interconnect, must be

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches
To this point I'm not aware of a lead battery that is compliant to 9540 or 1973...we are still trying to work out the kinks of these UL codes. This what happens when people try to blanket fix a problem with one technology and apply it across the board without a full understanding of the

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread jay via RE-wrenches
A number of people have mentioned strict code compliance. How are lead batteries dealing with this? thanks jay > On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:27 PM, Ray Walters via RE-wrenches > wrote: > > Chris; > > I was definitely moving to the LFP camp for off grid for all the same reasons > you

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches
Becareful with the EG4s and AGMs. Last I checked the EG4s couldn't be properly programmed to charge at a high enough voltage to properly charge some of the heavier plated AGM. Surrette and Full river AGMs need to be charged at 58.8 temp compensated to -4mv/deg/c... The EG4s like the Sol Arks

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches
I used to be Lead AGM for Off-grid; I used the Pure Lead Thin Plate for an install 4 years ago from AltE, and it is still working fine. I believe the LiFe is the battery for off-grid and the trick is to find the correct BMS, On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:43 AM Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches <

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Ray Walters via RE-wrenches
Chris; I was definitely moving to the LFP camp for off grid for all the same reasons you mentioned, but I've just had too much trouble, so I'm heading back to lead acid for now.  I missed the acid burned jeans, its a "look". Seriously, you mentioned customers coming back to a lead acid

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
. 773985 *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 9:43 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Cc:* drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment I fully agree

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
Surrette and Full river AGM's Been berry berry good to me! Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" [1]https://offgridsolar1.com/ [2] [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On 2024-02-17 9:43 am, Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches wrote: I fully agree that off

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches
I fully agree that off grid solar has taken a major downturn. Once the equipment became software based, the reliability dropped. Sure, there are nice features available with these cyber enhanced systems, but the cost in reliability makes being energy independent off the grid hard to accomplish.

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
fortress is making improvements to their firmware for sure. The fortress envy 12 has generator warmup/cool down which is a really important feature  IMO. The eg4 not. Nor does the Deye sol ark. JayOn Feb 16, 2024, at 8:48 PM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches wrote:Howie,The EG4 18K and the

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-17 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Beyond the listing issues, there are also the NFPA 855 maximum energy storage limitations to consider that battery manufacturers and distributors are not considering in their marketing, leading consumers to conclusions that won't work. I have a client who purchased three full racks of EG4 LL as a

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches
Howie, The EG4 18K and the Fortress Envy are both made by the same manufacturer, LuxPower. Google the LXP 12K and it will all make sense. I can’t speak for EG4, but I know that Fortress has progressed from simply white labeling this unit to doing a significant amount of programming and

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Dan Fink via RE-wrenches
The issue I'm having with EG4 specifically and Signature Solar in general is a scattershot approach to UL and NRTL listings. Those listings may not be important to various DIY folks of varying levels of "git-er-done," but listings are critical for my business. Some products they sell are Listed

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Kirk Bailey via RE-wrenches
Dave, I took a quick look at the Discover AES battery specifications you linked to and didn't find an entry for how much power the BMS uses when the battery is turned ON, but doing nothing? In my experience the Fortress eFlex BMS uses on the order of 12-15 W, and it would be interesting to

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
Howie, I think you should also look again at the Discover rack mount system in the link below. Nice 75 year old company that made it's name on Locomotive batteries. Their prices are way down around 14 K for 30Kwh with heaters. If you have not looked at Lynk2 their gateway closed loop into SMA,

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches
We gave EG4 and Signature another chance after promises from their dealer oriented support department that we could expect better service from them. We had an EG4 BMS crap out a couple months ago after only a few months. Lots and lots of communications with Signature and we still don’t have a BMS

[RE-wrenches] EG4 Equipment

2024-02-16 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
Hi All, I've searched the archives for info pertaining to EG4 inverters and batteries. The comments have been mostly positive. I have stayed away from EG4 until now in part, for the reason the Michael Morningstar suggested last June - that is, they seemed very oriented to the DIY market and not

[RE-wrenches] EG4 18kPV Correction - does have frequency shift AC Coupling

2023-11-07 Thread Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches
Hi Folks, Just wanted to make a correction on the EG418kPV of a statement made during the AC Coupling thread. The EG4 18kPV does have frequency shift based AC Coupling.  The confusion comes from the fact that like Sol-Ark there is a SOC set-point override feature for AC Coupling but the

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4

2022-07-28 Thread Jeff Clearwater via RE-wrenches
Hi All Yes I’ve been working with EG4s for some time now. I installed 30 (154KWH) on 4 Sunny Island’s in Feb and that system has been working flawlessly. I’ve also done a 4 (20.5KWWH) battery system and a 6 battery (30.7 kWH) on single SOl-ARKs. And I’ve consulted in amd been monitoring some

[RE-wrenches] EG4

2022-07-28 Thread Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches
. 6500 watts at 120v? Dana Orzel - E - d...@solarwork.com - C - 208.721.7003 From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 1:50 PM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Dave Tedeyan Subject: [RE-wrenches] EG4 Hi all, Does anyone have any

Re: [RE-wrenches] EG4

2022-07-28 Thread Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches
Check out YouTube videos by Will Prowse. He’s used them and taken them apart. It would be better if any wrenches have used them though Brad Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have any experience with EG4

[RE-wrenches] EG4

2022-07-28 Thread Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches
Hi all, Does anyone have any experience with EG4 products? I am doing an off-grid consultation for someone who plans on getting EG4 inverter and lithium batteries. The equipment seems so cheap, yet appears to be somewhat legit. They do at least have UL1741 listing. But their 6500w