Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE
Hi Chris For an off grid system a 200AH 12 volt battery is rather small without resorting to parallel strings. Three strings is only 600AH which is still on the small side, so one might ask why the 8K inverter? The OutBack cabinet is fine for a back-up grid-tied system, not really a full off grid house Without starting a big discussion, I would stick to a single series string sized to the load for three days autonomy. 200AH is usually a rather small weekend cabin and 600AH would be a smaller medium sized house. Kind regards Tom Duffy Senior Solar Design Engineer [Real-logo-X-195] E-Mail: t...@thesolar.biz Panama Office: 507-6126-1253 Direct Toll Free: 888-503-6772 International: 575-539-2111 SKYPE Address: thesolarbiz Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:16 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE We don't do a lot of off-grid systems so I am short on experience with battery systems. I have a 8KW Radian system for which I am considering Rolls Surrette or Outback 200RE AGM batteries. I know people like the Surrettes, what is the experience with the outback battery system? -- Chris Mason inline: image003.png___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE
Tom, I may be mistaken, but if I understood you correctly you have missed something. The Radian is available only in 48v, so four 12V 200 Ah batteries is eight kilowatt-hours of storage to 80% maximum DoD. Yes, it's small (my off grid home has 26 kW) but one or two strings may be adequate, depending on the customer's application and needs. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, Positive Energy, Inc. A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell www.positiveenergysolar.com On 1/19/2014 6:12 PM, Tom Duffy wrote: Hi Chris For an off grid system a 200AH 12 volt battery is rather small without resorting to parallel strings. Three strings is only 600AH which is still on the small side, so one might ask why the 8K inverter? The OutBack cabinet is fine for a back-up grid-tied system, not really a full off grid house Without starting a big discussion, I would stick to a single series string sized to the load for three days autonomy. 200AH is usually a rather small weekend cabin and 600AH would be a smaller medium sized house. Kind regards Tom Duffy Senior Solar Design Engineer E-Mail: t...@thesolar.biz Panama Office: 507-6126-1253 Direct Toll Free:888-503-6772 International: 575-539-2111 SKYPE Address: thesolarbiz Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:16 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE We don't do a lot of off-grid systems so I am short on experience with battery systems. I have a 8KW Radian system for which I am considering Rolls Surrette or Outback 200RE AGM batteries. I know people like the Surrettes, what is the experience with the outback battery system? -- Chris Mason ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE
The project is hybrid, the house has utility power at the moment. I was looking for feedback on the product, I haven't heard comments on the Outback RE battery system. In the end I recommended a single string of TROJAN, IND9-6V. We will revert to grid at 80% DOD. The house is tropical, high in the mountains and doesn't use a lot of power. On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com wrote: Tom, I may be mistaken, but if I understood you correctly you have missed something. The Radian is available only in 48v, so four 12V 200 Ah batteries is eight kilowatt-hours of storage to 80% maximum DoD. Yes, it's small (my off grid home has 26 kW) but one or two strings may be adequate, depending on the customer's application and needs. Allan *Allan Sindelar* *al...@positiveenergysolar.com* al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder, *Positive Energy, Inc.* A Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 *505 424-1112 505%20424-1112 office 780-2738 cell* *www.positiveenergysolar.com* http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/ On 1/19/2014 6:12 PM, Tom Duffy wrote: Hi Chris For an off grid system a 200AH 12 volt battery is rather small without resorting to parallel strings. Three strings is only 600AH which is still on the small side, so one might ask why the 8K inverter? The OutBack cabinet is fine for a back-up grid-tied system, not really a full off grid house Without starting a big discussion, I would stick to a single series string sized to the load for three days autonomy. 200AH is usually a rather small weekend cabin and 600AH would be a smaller medium sized house. Kind regards *Tom Duffy* *Senior Solar Design Engineer* [image: Real-logo-X-195] *E-Mail: **t...@thesolar.biz t...@thesolar.biz* *Panama Office: **507-6126-1253* *Direct Toll Free:**888-503-6772 888-503-6772* *International: **575-539-2111 575-539-2111* *SKYPE Address: **thesolarbiz* *Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.* *Confidentiality Notice*: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [ mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.orgre-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Mason *Sent:* Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:16 PM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Outback 200 RE We don't do a lot of off-grid systems so I am short on experience with battery systems. I have a 8KW Radian system for which I am considering Rolls Surrette or Outback 200RE AGM batteries. I know people like the Surrettes, what is the experience with the outback battery system? -- Chris Mason ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings:http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette:www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios:www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Chris Mason President, Comet Systems Ltd www.cometenergysystems.com Cell: 264.235.5670 Skype: netconcepts image/png___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
