Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Outback Mate question

[John Blittersdorf]

Allan,
  Contact me off list.  I have many good MATE’s needing a home.  I have
sold many customers on the OpticsRE so I have a lot of orphaned Mates still
in good condition.

John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service
200 West Road
N Chittenden, VT 05763

802-770-8625
john.blittersd...@gmail.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:01 PM Sindelar Solar 
wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I have a customer with a 2005-era Outback VFX3648-based off grid
> residential system. Her original Mate had lost response on several of the
> six buttons. I told her that the Mate is no longer made, and a Mate3 is
> larger (won't fit her space), expensive and overkill for her needs. I
> offered to attempt to repair hers, as it seemed to me that it would be a
> simple task. I removed the cover and the silicon button molding, and used a
> Q-tip with a bit of electronic cleaner and lubricant from Radio Shack to
> clean the contacts. When I put it back together none of the buttons made
> active contact.
>
> - Any idea what I might have done wrong to cause further failure? I'm
> wondering if the cleaner included an oil that hindered conductivity, rather
> than enabled it, and whether trying again with denatured alcohol (or
> something more potent still?) might resolve the problem.
>
> - Any suggestions about how to correct the (fairly common) problem of the
> buttons not making contact after years of service?
>
> - Anyone repairing older Mates that you might pass on?
>
> - Any way to buy a new or refurbished Mate?
>
> Thank you for any help here.,
>
> Allan
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Outback Mate question

[Bruce Geddes]

The rubber button pad is available as a replacement part.  The carbon contacts 
degrade over time and cleaning does not always restore functionality.  Same 
with the buttons on the MX and FM controllers.

Bruce Geddes

PowerOn



From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Sindelar Solar
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2019 3:01 p.m.
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Old Outback Mate question



Wrenches,

I have a customer with a 2005-era Outback VFX3648-based off grid residential 
system. Her original Mate had lost response on several of the six buttons. I 
told her that the Mate is no longer made, and a Mate3 is larger (won't fit her 
space), expensive and overkill for her needs. I offered to attempt to repair 
hers, as it seemed to me that it would be a simple task. I removed the cover 
and the silicon button molding, and used a Q-tip with a bit of electronic 
cleaner and lubricant from Radio Shack to clean the contacts. When I put it 
back together none of the buttons made active contact.

- Any idea what I might have done wrong to cause further failure? I'm wondering 
if the cleaner included an oil that hindered conductivity, rather than enabled 
it, and whether trying again with denatured alcohol (or something more potent 
still?) might resolve the problem.

- Any suggestions about how to correct the (fairly common) problem of the 
buttons not making contact after years of service?

- Anyone repairing older Mates that you might pass on?

- Any way to buy a new or refurbished Mate?

Thank you for any help here.,

Allan

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[RE-wrenches] Old Outback Mate question

[Sindelar Solar]

Wrenches,

I have a customer with a 2005-era Outback VFX3648-based off grid 
residential system. Her original Mate had lost response on several of 
the six buttons. I told her that the Mate is no longer made, and a Mate3 
is larger (won't fit her space), expensive and overkill for her needs. I 
offered to attempt to repair hers, as it seemed to me that it would be a 
simple task. I removed the cover and the silicon button molding, and 
used a Q-tip with a bit of electronic cleaner and lubricant from Radio 
Shack to clean the contacts. When I put it back together none of the 
buttons made active contact.


- Any idea what I might have done wrong to cause further failure? I'm 
wondering if the cleaner included an oil that hindered conductivity, 
rather than enabled it, and whether trying again with denatured alcohol 
(or something more potent still?) might resolve the problem.


- Any suggestions about how to correct the (fairly common) problem of 
the buttons not making contact after years of service?


- Anyone repairing older Mates that you might pass on?

- Any way to buy a new or refurbished Mate?

Thank you for any help here.,

Allan

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New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage

[palumbo131m]

Is “25 Kw per hour” a real value? For us old school people there is kW and they 
is kWh (kilowatt hours). I’m guessing that it is 25 kWh per average day, or, 
about 750 KWh / month.
Dave Palumbo 
Hyde Park, VT

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> On Sep 5, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Andrew  wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone,
> I have been recently been getting more and more inquiries for 
> some quite large off-grid sytems(25kw per hour) and seeing what you guys have 
> for suggestions on bigger inverters and storage systems?  I could do 2 triple 
> stack Schneider’s and a bunch of HUPS industrial batteries but it all just 
> takes up so much space and I know there are some other companies out there 
> with package units. Thoughts?
>  
> Andrew Perkins
> Greenwired
> P: 707-923-2001 ext. 100
> 1150 #1 Evergreen Rd
> Redway, CA 95560
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

I often find that numbers like 25KW per hour are just overblown and the
rest of the Offgrid load power data is too high. 

Offgrid is all about the
state of the art in not needing high power levels by using the best
equipment available for the loads. 

One can't simply take a power bill
from a utility and try to duplicate it offgrid. The loads have to be
reduced drastically.  

Maybe this is not the case here and if so I
digress. Good Luck 
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don't"
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 16:16:27 -0600, "Dana"  wrote:  


You will have to park the 'Package' somewhere… Yeah off grid takes space
& WLA batteries like to be warm in the winter ">Basements? Dedicated
building? Storage container [insulated]? 

Radiant floors make for happy
batteries. Cool in summer ">

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FROM: RE-wrenches  ON BEHALF OF
Andrew
SENT: Thursday, September 05, 2019 3:15 PM
TO: RE-wrenches 
SUBJECT:
[RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage   

Hey Everyone, 

 I have
been recently been getting more and more inquiries for some quite large
off-grid sytems(25kw per hour) and seeing what you guys have for
suggestions on bigger inverters and storage systems? I could do 2 triple
stack Schneider's and a bunch of HUPS industrial batteries but it all just
takes up so much space and I know there are some other companies out there
with package units. Thoughts?  

Andrew Perkins 

Greenwired 

P:
707-923-2001 ext. 100 

1150 #1 Evergreen Rd 

Redway, CA 95560


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[RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage

[Dana]

You will have to park the 'Package' somewhere. Yeah off grid takes space &
WLA batteries like to be warm in the winter & not too hot in the summer. 

Basements? Dedicated building? Storage container [insulated]?

Radiant floors make for happy batteries. Cool in summer & warm in winter.

 

 

 

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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of
Andrew
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 3:15 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage

 

Hey Everyone,

I have been recently been getting more and more inquiries
for some quite large off-grid sytems(25kw per hour) and seeing what you guys
have for suggestions on bigger inverters and storage systems?  I could do 2
triple stack Schneider's and a bunch of HUPS industrial batteries but it all
just takes up so much space and I know there are some other companies out
there with package units. Thoughts? 

 

Andrew Perkins

Greenwired

P: 707-923-2001 ext. 100

1150 #1 Evergreen Rd

Redway, CA 95560

www.greenwired.com  



 

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[RE-wrenches] Large off-grid inverter/storage

[Andrew]

Hey Everyone,

I have been recently been getting more and more inquiries
for some quite large off-grid sytems(25kw per hour) and seeing what you guys
have for suggestions on bigger inverters and storage systems?  I could do 2
triple stack Schneider's and a bunch of HUPS industrial batteries but it all
just takes up so much space and I know there are some other companies out
there with package units. Thoughts? 

 

Andrew Perkins

Greenwired

P: 707-923-2001 ext. 100

1150 #1 Evergreen Rd

Redway, CA 95560

www.greenwired.com

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

[Christopher Warfel]

You have to be in manual mode and that is not very easy and we did not 
want to defeat the purpose of automation. We have done the manual ones 
and they do work very well.  People like to move the modules if it is 
easy.  And, these are really easy.  I even did it by just using my 
fingers.  (oyster farm work helps with that)


On 9/5/2019 11:56 AM, Dana wrote:

Yes you push the small green tab on the breaker for the direction desired.



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-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 9:11 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in 
east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

Thanks Chris for the follow up. These were HZLA'a right? Kyle and his Dad Jeff 
are great for Wattsun Support! These units have the manual track mode also, 
right?

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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:52:11 -0400, Christopher Warfel 
 wrote:

I wanted to follow up on the issue I had previously posted.

We installed two ArrayTech trackers at different sites in the
unconventional east-west orientation. One worked well and one operated
so that it was not facing south very often.  Kyle was able to guide me
through some troubleshooting and it appears the problem is fixed.

The tracker that worked properly had the sensor on the west end of the
array and was pointed east.  The tracker not working as expected had
the
sensor on the east end of the array and was pointed west.  We swapped
the east/west sensor wires in the controller, and reduced the ghost
tracking setting.  This caused the tracker to work properly.


Chris

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

[Christopher Warfel]

Yes to both of  your questions.  I am feeling a lot better about this now.

On 9/5/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:

Thanks Chris for the follow up. These were HZLA'a right? Kyle and his Dad
Jeff are great for Wattsun Support! These units have the manual track mode
also, right?

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:52:11 -0400, Christopher Warfel
 wrote:

I wanted to follow up on the issue I had previously posted.

We installed two ArrayTech trackers at different sites in the
unconventional east-west orientation. One worked well and one operated
so that it was not facing south very often.  Kyle was able to guide me
through some troubleshooting and it appears the problem is fixed.

The tracker that worked properly had the sensor on the west end of the
array and was pointed east.  The tracker not working as expected had the
sensor on the east end of the array and was pointed west.  We swapped
the east/west sensor wires in the controller, and reduced the ghost
tracking setting.  This caused the tracker to work properly.


Chris

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[RE-wrenches] SolarEdge - are you listening on here???

[scot.arey]

How did a company that I would tell customers had the very best tech support
in the business fall so far, so quickly.

 

This is the 5th exchange with tech support regarding StorEdge not charging.
Used to work just great.until it did not.

 

At least I'm only 34 in line.

 

SolarEdge - your Director of Sales swears thre is no problem but there
really is one.

 



 



 

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[RE-wrenches] connector mismatch

[Jay]

Hi Jerry

I’m not sure I understand. 
Are you saying that the white paper overrules ( if that’s the correct way to 
say it) the UL and OEM guidelines?

Jay


> On Sep 5, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Jerry Shafer  wrote:
> 
> Brian
> Missing the point, yes they are compatible but as we have seen in the real 
> world there are issues. This can give module and micro inverter manufacturers 
> an out regarding failures and responsibility 
> Jerry
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 1:41 AM Brian Mehalic  wrote:
>> I don’t think “some white paper” is sufficient based on Code requirements, 
>> UL standards (6703), and verified field failures. Also see 2020 NEC® 
>> 690.33(C) - now requiring intermatability. 
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Jerry Shafer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wrenches
>>> Per some white papers connectors are interchangeable, this being said l 
>>> have had arc issues as a result. FYI there are knock-offs out there to.
>>> Jerry
>>> 
 On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 1:42 PM Brian Mehalic  wrote:
 Are you saying each module has, for example, a positive factory H4 lead 
 and a negative factory MC4 lead?
 
 I definitely know of H4 problems, both mated with H4s and mismatched.  
 
 Brian Mehalic 
 NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional™ R031508-59
 National Electrical Code® CMP-4 Member
 (520) 204-6639
 
 Solar Energy International
 http://www.solarenergy.org
 
 SEI Professional Services
 http://www.seisolarpros.com
 
 
 
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Kent Osterberg  wrote:
> I've recently been looking for the cause of random power drop offs to 
> zero in an Enphase M215 system with LG260 PV module that was installed 
> in 2013. Just one inverter in a system of fourteen has been doing this. 
> Enphase suggested moving the inverter to a different PV module and sure 
> enough doing that proved the problem wasn't with the inverter.  
> Intermittent zero output was being caused by the PV module.  In making 
> the inverter/module change I found that all the LG 260 modules in this 
> system have one MC4 connector and one H4 connector. At present I'm 
> convinced the mismatched connector is the actual cause of the problem. 
> Anyone else ever notice find PV modules with mixed MC4 and H4 connectors?
> 
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> Blue Mountain Solar
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

[Dana]

Yes you push the small green tab on the breaker for the direction desired.



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-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 9:11 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in 
east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

Thanks Chris for the follow up. These were HZLA'a right? Kyle and his Dad Jeff 
are great for Wattsun Support! These units have the manual track mode also, 
right?

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:52:11 -0400, Christopher Warfel 
 wrote:
> I wanted to follow up on the issue I had previously posted.
> 
> We installed two ArrayTech trackers at different sites in the 
> unconventional east-west orientation. One worked well and one operated 
> so that it was not facing south very often.  Kyle was able to guide me 
> through some troubleshooting and it appears the problem is fixed.
> 
> The tracker that worked properly had the sensor on the west end of the 
> array and was pointed east.  The tracker not working as expected had 
> the

> sensor on the east end of the array and was pointed west.  We swapped 
> the east/west sensor wires in the controller, and reduced the ghost 
> tracking setting.  This caused the tracker to work properly.
> 
> 
> Chris
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Thanks Chris for the follow up. These were HZLA'a right? Kyle and his Dad
Jeff are great for Wattsun Support! These units have the manual track mode
also, right?

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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:52:11 -0400, Christopher Warfel
 wrote:
> I wanted to follow up on the issue I had previously posted.
> 
> We installed two ArrayTech trackers at different sites in the 
> unconventional east-west orientation. One worked well and one operated 
> so that it was not facing south very often.  Kyle was able to guide me 
> through some troubleshooting and it appears the problem is fixed.
> 
> The tracker that worked properly had the sensor on the west end of the 
> array and was pointed east.  The tracker not working as expected had the

> sensor on the east end of the array and was pointed west.  We swapped 
> the east/west sensor wires in the controller, and reduced the ghost 
> tracking setting.  This caused the tracker to work properly.
> 
> 
> Chris
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Re: [RE-wrenches] connector mismatch

[Jerry Shafer]

Brian
Missing the point, yes they are compatible but as we have seen in the real
world there are issues. This can give module and micro inverter
manufacturers an out regarding failures and responsibility
Jerry

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 1:41 AM Brian Mehalic  wrote:

> I don’t think “some white paper” is sufficient based on Code requirements,
> UL standards (6703), and verified field failures. Also see 2020 NEC®
> 690.33(C) - now requiring intermatability.
>
> Brian
>
> On Sep 4, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Jerry Shafer  wrote:
>
> Wrenches
> Per some white papers connectors are interchangeable, this being said l
> have had arc issues as a result. FYI there are knock-offs out there to.
> Jerry
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 1:42 PM Brian Mehalic  wrote:
>
>> Are you saying each module has, for example, a positive factory H4 lead
>> and a negative factory MC4 lead?
>>
>> I definitely know of H4 problems, both mated with H4s and mismatched.
>>
>> Brian Mehalic
>> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional™ R031508-59
>> National Electrical Code® CMP-4 Member
>> (520) 204-6639
>>
>> Solar Energy International
>> http://www.solarenergy.org
>>
>> SEI Professional Services
>> http://www.seisolarpros.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Kent Osterberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've recently been looking for the cause of random power drop offs to
>>> zero in an Enphase M215 system with LG260 PV module that was installed
>>> in 2013. Just one inverter in a system of fourteen has been doing this.
>>> Enphase suggested moving the inverter to a different PV module and sure
>>> enough doing that proved the problem wasn't with the inverter.
>>> Intermittent zero output was being caused by the PV module.  In making
>>> the inverter/module change I found that all the LG 260 modules in this
>>> system have one MC4 connector and one H4 connector. At present I'm
>>> convinced the mismatched connector is the actual cause of the problem.
>>> Anyone else ever notice find PV modules with mixed MC4 and H4 connectors?
>>>
>>> Kent Osterberg
>>> Blue Mountain Solar
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[RE-wrenches] Residential tracker that has horizontal axis in east-west orientation? Problem appears solved

[Christopher Warfel]

I wanted to follow up on the issue I had previously posted.

We installed two ArrayTech trackers at different sites in the 
unconventional east-west orientation. One worked well and one operated 
so that it was not facing south very often.  Kyle was able to guide me 
through some troubleshooting and it appears the problem is fixed.


The tracker that worked properly had the sensor on the west end of the 
array and was pointed east.  The tracker not working as expected had the 
sensor on the east end of the array and was pointed west.  We swapped 
the east/west sensor wires in the controller, and reduced the ghost 
tracking setting.  This caused the tracker to work properly.



Chris

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