subject:"Re\: \[RE\-wrenches\] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart \-Tech Batteries"

Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-10 Thread Chris Mason

I had a situation with a Sonnon system where the controller missed it's
turn off point and discharged the batteries until there was not enough
voltage to keep the BMS running. I jury rigged two 300W panels in parallel
and charged the batteries directly until they turned on the BMS.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:

> Jay,
>
> After LVD, with Relion, LiFeBlue and the new Elite PS ABC-CPU, the BMS
> will keep the battery off until you begin to charge. The battery will
> automatically come back online.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> This is wonderful info.
> And it leads into the what happens when it reaches LVD?
> Given that it is using almost 10% per day of battery capacity for the BMS,
> what happens when the charging source for whatever reason shuts down. ( CC
> dies while people are gone for a few days for one example)
> The BMS turns off the loads, but what turns off the BMS and how do you
> turn it back on when it happens?
>
> Thx
>
> Jay
> Peltz power
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
> >
> > FYI, the LG Chem RESU10 consumes about 40 watts or less with the XW+ main
> > breaker off.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi Jay and Dave,
> >>
> >> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
> the
> >> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
> >> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
> at
> >> 48 volts available today.
> >>
> >> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
> until
> >> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
> >> clients not a big problem for me.
> >> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
> time.
> >>
> >> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
> seems
> >> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
> >>
> >> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
> >> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jay,
> >>>
> >>> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
> an
> >>> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
> >>> manufacturer?
> >>>
> >>> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
> and
> >>> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
> >>> 100%.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> >>> "we go where powerlines don't"
> >>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
> >>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
> >>> text 209 813 0060
> >>
> >> 
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue

2017-08-10 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

 Agree Larry and thanks for the update. Have you placed a Lifeblue order?
They all are pretty pricey, even the LG resu10 is about 4,800 at this
time. I do like the idea of easily adding on another string of Lifeblue
at a later time.  --Dave


> Hi Dave,
>
> I looked at them a couple years ago and tried to find out who makes their
> cells, no luck. Compare with LiFeBlue, for $100 more retail you get a
> Bluetooth battery monitor in each battery that communicates with the
> internal BMS and a 10 year Warrantee. I would like to stress how important
> the Bluetooth is. If Battle Born or any other in similar battery shuts
> off, how will you or your customer know why this happened or what to do
> about it? LiFeBlue will display the fault on the System Info page of the
> App. (see attachment)
>
> LiFeBlue has dealer pricing, not sure if Battle Born does.
>
> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price
> point is better than others we have looked at.
> From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net>
> Sent: â8/â7/â2017 14:39
> To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries
> and LifeBlue
>
> Chris,
>
> I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to
> integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out
> wireless!!!  To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.
>
> On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last
> year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20
> billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.
> So I feel they will be there.
>
> The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.
> This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This
> becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%
> Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as
> I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a
> breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short
> (failed DC Inverter input). It works!
>
> So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I
> would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)
>
> Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed
> the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.
>
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
> text 209 813 0060
>
>> Have you tried them, are they reliable?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
>> la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>>
>>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>>> the
>>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>>> at
>>> 48 volts available today.
>>>
>>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>>> until
>>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>>> clients
>>> not a big problem for me.
>>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>>> seems
>>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>>
>>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Jay,
>>> >
>>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>>> an
>>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>>> manufacturer?
>>

Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-10 Thread Starlight Solar Power Systems

Jay,

After LVD, with Relion, LiFeBlue and the new Elite PS ABC-CPU, the BMS will 
keep the battery off until you begin to charge. The battery will automatically 
come back online. 

Larry


On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jay  wrote:

Hi Dave,  

This is wonderful info. 
And it leads into the what happens when it reaches LVD?
Given that it is using almost 10% per day of battery capacity for the BMS, what 
happens when the charging source for whatever reason shuts down. ( CC dies 
while people are gone for a few days for one example)
The BMS turns off the loads, but what turns off the BMS and how do you turn it 
back on when it happens?

Thx

Jay
Peltz power



> On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI, the LG Chem RESU10 consumes about 40 watts or less with the XW+ main
> breaker off.
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>> 
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh at
>> 48 volts available today.
>> 
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time.
>> 
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>> 
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>> 
>> Jay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jay,
>>> 
>>> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
>>> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>>> manufacturer?
>>> 
>>> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
>>> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>>> 100%.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
>>> text 209 813 0060
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue

2017-08-10 Thread Starlight Solar Power Systems

Hi Dave,

I looked at them a couple years ago and tried to find out who makes their 
cells, no luck. Compare with LiFeBlue, for $100 more retail you get a Bluetooth 
battery monitor in each battery that communicates with the internal BMS and a 
10 year Warrantee. I would like to stress how important the Bluetooth is. If 
Battle Born or any other in similar battery shuts off, how will you or your 
customer know why this happened or what to do about it? LiFeBlue will display 
the fault on the System Info page of the App. (see attachment)

LiFeBlue has dealer pricing, not sure if Battle Born does. 

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems

On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote:

Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price point is 
better than others we have looked at.
From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <mailto:offgridso...@sti.net>
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2017 14:39
To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and 
LifeBlue

Chris,

I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to
integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out
wireless!!!  To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.

On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last
year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20
billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.
So I feel they will be there.

The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.
This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This
becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%
Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as
I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a
breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short
(failed DC Inverter input). It works!

So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I
would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)

Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed
the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

> Have you tried them, are they reliable?
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
> la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>> the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>> at
>> 48 volts available today.
>>
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>> until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients
>> not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>> time.
>>
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>> seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>> an
>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>> manufacturer?
>> >
>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
>> and
>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>> > 100%.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> > "we go where powerlines don't"
>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>> > e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
>> > text 209 813 0060
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-10 Thread Jay

Hi Dave,  

This is wonderful info. 
And it leads into the what happens when it reaches LVD?
Given that it is using almost 10% per day of battery capacity for the BMS, what 
happens when the charging source for whatever reason shuts down. ( CC dies 
while people are gone for a few days for one example)
The BMS turns off the loads, but what turns off the BMS and how do you turn it 
back on when it happens?

Thx

Jay
Peltz power



> On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI, the LG Chem RESU10 consumes about 40 watts or less with the XW+ main
> breaker off.
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>> 
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh at
>> 48 volts available today.
>> 
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time.
>> 
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>> 
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>> 
>> Jay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jay,
>>> 
>>> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
>>> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>>> manufacturer?
>>> 
>>> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
>>> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>>> 100%.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> "we go where powerlines don't"
>>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>>> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
>>> text 209 813 0060
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue

2017-08-10 Thread Glenn Burt

Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price point is 
better than others we have looked at.

-Original Message-
From: "Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar" <offgridso...@sti.net>
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2017 14:39
To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and 
LifeBlue

Chris,

I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to
integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out
wireless!!!  To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.

On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last
year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20
billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.
So I feel they will be there.

The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.
This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This
becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%
Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as
I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a
breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short
(failed DC Inverter input). It works!

So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I
would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)

Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed
the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
text 209 813 0060

> Have you tried them, are they reliable?
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
> la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>> the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>> at
>> 48 volts available today.
>>
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>> until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients
>> not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>> time.
>>
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>> seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>> an
>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>> manufacturer?
>> >
>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
>> and
>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>> > 100%.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> > "we go where powerlines don't"
>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
>> > e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net
>> > text 209 813 0060
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-10 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

In discharge mode the RESU 10 is less than 2 watts.  --Dave Angelini /
Offgrid Solar


> FYI, the LG Chem RESU10 consumes about 40 watts or less with the XW+ main
> breaker off.
>
>
>
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>> the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>> at
>> 48 volts available today.
>>
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>>
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>> until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>> time.
>>
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>> seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>>> an
>>> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>>> manufacturer?
>>>
>>> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
>>> and
>>> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>>> 100%.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>> "we go where powerlines don't"
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-09 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

FYI, the LG Chem RESU10 consumes about 40 watts or less with the XW+ main
breaker off.



> Hi Jay and Dave,
>
> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to the
> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh at
> 48 volts available today.
>
> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until
> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
> clients not a big problem for me.
> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time.
>
> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems
> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>
> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Jay,
>>
>> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
>> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>> manufacturer?
>>
>> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
>> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>> 100%.
>>
>>
>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue

2017-08-07 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

Chris,

I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to
integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out
wireless!!!  To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.

On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last
year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20
billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.
So I feel they will be there.

The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.
This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This
becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%
Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as
I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a
breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short
(failed DC Inverter input). It works!

So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I
would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)

Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed
the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.

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> Have you tried them, are they reliable?
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
> la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay and Dave,
>>
>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to
>> the
>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh
>> at
>> 48 volts available today.
>>
>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>>
>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But
>> until
>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich
>> clients
>> not a big problem for me.
>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long
>> time.
>>
>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one
>> seems
>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>>
>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
>> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need
>> an
>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the
>> manufacturer?
>> >
>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there
>> and
>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
>> > 100%.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> > "we go where powerlines don't"
>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-07 Thread Chris Mason

Have you tried them, are they reliable?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <
la...@starlightsolar.com> wrote:

> Hi Jay and Dave,
>
> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to the
> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery
> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh at
> 48 volts available today.
>
> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until
> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich clients
> not a big problem for me.
> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time.
>
> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems
> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.
>
> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it
> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
> offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:
> >
> > Jay,
> >
> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the manufacturer?
> >
> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
> > 100%.
> >
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-07 Thread Starlight Solar Power Systems

Hi Jay and Dave,

LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to the BMS 
in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery faults and 
more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh at 48 volts 
available today.

http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html

Larry

On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay  wrote:

Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until the 
prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich clients not a 
big problem for me. 
You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time. 

Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems to 
have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.  

On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it shuts 
down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?

Jay

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the manufacturer?
> 
> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
> 100%.
> 
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread Jay

Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery.  But until the 
prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich clients not a 
big problem for me. 
You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long time. 

Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one seems to 
have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.  

On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start?  If it shuts 
down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?

Jay






> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
> external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the manufacturer?
> 
> One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
> it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
> 100%.
> 
> 
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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> 
>> HI Tom,
>> 
>> I think maybe the best way to think about these batteries is that they are
>> really like a standard LA battery.
>> There is no communication, all BMS is internal to the battery.
>> If you want more capacity they parallel, but no communication between
>> batteries.  All battery wires are to be same length.
>> They will work with any CC/inverter set up.
>> Super easy to do.
>> CC/charger programing is easy and most every charger with programable set
>> points should work as best I can tell.  Manual comes with set
>> point/charge/discharge info.
>> 
>> The one I’ve worked on is working as expected.
>> A very easy set up compared to all the other ones I’ve seen.
>> No fans/computers so can be installed in a non clean environment.
>> 
>> I would use them again.
>> 
>> jay
>> 
>> peltz power
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

I saw a powerwall 2 yesterday in Santa Cruz. It was installed by Solar
City and the Ap did not work. The owner asked me to take a look but I just
really could not help him.


> what updates, reviews can you give us on those power walls?
>
> jay
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tesla has been shipping the AC PWs to its dealers and we have been
>> installing them.
>>
>> marco
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2017, > > wrote:
>> Funny, Tom, I was just looking at these as well and wondering if they
>> would work with SolarEdge StorEdge solutions. The Tesla Powerwall 2,
>> which
>> several of my clients have deposits down on, seems to be only ghosts,
>> although with an excellent PR firm behind themI'm looking for
>> alternatives.The LG RENU is one.
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>>
>> > Does anyone know about or have experience with SimpliPhi Piwer PHi3.4
>> > Snart
>> > -Tech Batteries or similar batteries with SMA , Schneider, Outback ,
>> etc
>> >  charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems. GatorTom
>> > t...@ecs-solar.com  or answer at re-wrenches Please thank
>> you for any
>> > educational information before I use these batteries or is there a
>> better
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

Jay,

Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need an
external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the manufacturer?

 One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there and
it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to
100%.


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> HI Tom,
>
> I think maybe the best way to think about these batteries is that they are
> really like a standard LA battery.
> There is no communication, all BMS is internal to the battery.
> If you want more capacity they parallel, but no communication between
> batteries.  All battery wires are to be same length.
> They will work with any CC/inverter set up.
> Super easy to do.
> CC/charger programing is easy and most every charger with programable set
> points should work as best I can tell.  Manual comes with set
> point/charge/discharge info.
>
> The one Iâve worked on is working as expected.
> A very easy set up compared to all the other ones Iâve seen.
> No fans/computers so can be installed in a non clean environment.
>
> I would use them again.
>
> jay
>
> peltz power
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Tom Lane  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know about or have experience with SimpliPhi Piwer PHi3.4
>> Snart -Tech Batteries or similar batteries with SMA , Schneider, Outback
>> , etc  charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems.
>> GatorTom t...@ecs-solar.com  or answer at
>> re-wrenches Please thank you for any educational information before I
>> use these batteries or is there a better choice. Thanks Again
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread jay

what updates, reviews can you give us on those power walls?

jay 


> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf  wrote:
> 
> Tesla has been shipping the AC PWs to its dealers and we have been installing 
> them. 
> 
> marco
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> On Friday, August 4, 2017,  > wrote:
> Funny, Tom, I was just looking at these as well and wondering if they
> would work with SolarEdge StorEdge solutions. The Tesla Powerwall 2, which
> several of my clients have deposits down on, seems to be only ghosts,
> although with an excellent PR firm behind themI'm looking for
> alternatives.The LG RENU is one.
> 
> Daryl
> 
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> > Does anyone know about or have experience with SimpliPhi Piwer PHi3.4
> > Snart
> > -Tech Batteries or similar batteries with SMA , Schneider, Outback , etc
> >  charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems. GatorTom
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread jay

HI Tom,

I think maybe the best way to think about these batteries is that they are 
really like a standard LA battery. 
There is no communication, all BMS is internal to the battery.  
If you want more capacity they parallel, but no communication between 
batteries.  All battery wires are to be same length.
They will work with any CC/inverter set up.  
Super easy to do.  
CC/charger programing is easy and most every charger with programable set 
points should work as best I can tell.  Manual comes with set 
point/charge/discharge info.  

The one I’ve worked on is working as expected.
A very easy set up compared to all the other ones I’ve seen.  
No fans/computers so can be installed in a non clean environment.  

I would use them again.

jay

peltz power

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Tom Lane  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know about or have experience with SimpliPhi Piwer PHi3.4 Snart 
> -Tech Batteries or similar batteries with SMA , Schneider, Outback , etc  
> charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems. GatorTom 
> t...@ecs-solar.com  or answer at re-wrenches 
> Please thank you for any educational information before I use these batteries 
> or is there a better choice. Thanks Again

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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf

Tesla has been shipping the AC PWs to its dealers and we have been
installing them.

marco

On Friday, August 4, 2017,  wrote:

> Funny, Tom, I was just looking at these as well and wondering if they
> would work with SolarEdge StorEdge solutions. The Tesla Powerwall 2, which
> several of my clients have deposits down on, seems to be only ghosts,
> although with an excellent PR firm behind themI'm looking for
> alternatives.The LG RENU is one.
>
> Daryl
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> > Does anyone know about or have experience with SimpliPhi Piwer PHi3.4
> > Snart
> > -Tech Batteries or similar batteries with SMA , Schneider, Outback , etc
> >  charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems. GatorTom
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries

2017-08-04 Thread penobscotsolar

Funny, Tom, I was just looking at these as well and wondering if they
would work with SolarEdge StorEdge solutions. The Tesla Powerwall 2, which
several of my clients have deposits down on, seems to be only ghosts,
although with an excellent PR firm behind themI'm looking for
alternatives.The LG RENU is one.

Daryl


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> Snart
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>  charge controllers and Residential or Commercial Systems. GatorTom
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