[FWD] RE: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-31 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I am forwarding this answer from Karen Crook to Graham Young because it bounced for being too long. Trudy From: "Karen Crook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:13:10 +1100 Graha

[FWD] RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame?

2000-03-31 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I am forwarding this answer from Karen Crook to Don Clarke to the list because it bounced for being too long. This, despite me asking for extraneous stuff to be cut from the bottom of messages. Bounced mail goes to my old address (I haven't figured out how to change that yet) so this is a little o

[recoznet2] [FWD] Visit by Canadian Inuit Students

2000-03-31 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I am forwarding this message since it bounced and got lost in the system. I hope this is not to late for anyone able to help. Trudy Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:57:29 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Sarah Peckham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Subject: Visit by Canadian Inuit S

[recoznet2] Lees plans protest in Senate over mandatory sentencing bill

2000-03-25 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Lees plans protest in Senate over mandatory sentencing bill Source: AAP | Published: Sunday March 26, 1:43 PM The Australian Democrats would put a ban on government legislation in the Senate unless the mandatory sentencing bill was dealt with in the House of Representatives, leader Meg Lees sai

Re: [recoznet2] Mandatory sentencing.

2000-03-25 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Ian, That is a very good idea. Mandatory jailing doesn't leave a place for them to hide. The Howard govt is trying to brazen it out by attacking the UN which only underscores its lack of understanding of international and diplomatic affairs. Whatever goodwill Australia built up over East Timor w

[recoznet2] Time to set record straight on Aboriginal corporations: minister

2000-03-25 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Sun, 26 Mar 2000 8:29 AEDT Time to set record straight on Aboriginal corporations: minister A former Uniting Church minister from the Northern Territory says it is about time the Australian public was made more aware of the results of a review of Aboriginal corporations. Jim Dowling sa

[recoznet2] UN race committee 'biased' on sentencing

2000-03-25 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
THE AGE UN race committee 'biased' on sentencing By BRENDAN NICHOLSON . POLITICAL REPORTER Sunday 26 March 2000 The Federal Government says there is no point in the United Nations race relations committee visiting Australia because it is clearly biased. Late on Friday the UN Committee on th

[recoznet2] Unbelievable!!

2000-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
GOVT RULES OUT INTERVENTION From AAP 25mar00 The federal Government has firmly ruled out overriding mandatory sentencing laws and says it's lodged a formal complaint with the United Nations over its damning report on race relations in Australia. Federal Attorney-General Daryl Williams

[recoznet2] [Fwd: Oh Dear, Our Colonial Cringe is Exposed...]

2000-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Original Message Subject: Oh Dear, Our Colonial Cringe is Exposed... Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:27:35 +0800 From: "Jim Duffield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/25/pageone/pageone10.html PAGE ONE Sometimes it's not easy

[recoznet2] [FWD] Concluding Observations by CERD

2000-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
This is *very* strong language for the UN! Forwarded from Christine Howes: The following list gives a summary of the final observations of CERD. The numbers in parenthesis refers to the paragraph numbers in the full report. (which is below the summary ch) CONCLUDING OBSERVATIONS ON AUSTRAL

[recoznet2] Warm reception for Burke!

2000-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
NT leader jeered over sentencing laws Source: AAP | Published: Friday March 24, 11:15 AM Northern Territory Chief Minister Denis Burke was berated by demonstrators as he entered an attorneys-general conference in Melbourne set to consider a motion condemning his mandatory sentencing laws. A ph

[recoznet2] Fewer Aborigines face jail, Ruddock tells UN

2000-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The only other minister who can look so benign while lying so outrageously is Robert Hill. I think Howard's choice of Ruddock as the man responsible for reconciliation illustrates very clearly what Howard's real position on reconciliation is. Trudy The Sydney Morning Herald Fewer Aborigines face

[recoznet2] [Fwd: LL:DDV: URGENT ACTION!! FRIDAY 24/3]

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Original Message Subject: LL:DDV: URGENT ACTION!! FRIDAY 24/3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:08:21 +1100 From: Pauline Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URGENT URGENT URGENT (Please urgently email this to your networks) National Coalition Ag

Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
one might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing &

Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (so

Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > at: > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > Trudy > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone g

[recoznet2] [FWD] Jabiluka Ploughshares released after 67 days in jail

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: MEDIA RELEASE Jabiluka Ploughshares released after 67 days jail Ciaron O'Reilly and Treena Lenthall were taken into custody at 1 pm on January 17 2000 to serve 67 days in prison for their disabling of uranium mining equipment at Jabiluka uranium mine in Kakadu Na

[recoznet2] Recommended viewing tonight!

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
INSIGHT on SBS at 8:30 pm March 23, 2000 (tonight) Belinda Hawkins examines the philosophies underpinning the strategies of three contemporary indigenous leaders: Jacqui Katona, Geoff Clark and Senator Aden Ridgeway. Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Kri

[recoznet2] UN continues to question mandatory sentencing

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
UN continues to question mandatory sentencing Source: AAP | Published: Thursday March 23, 5:03 AM LONDON, March 22 - Mandatory sentencing legislation 'conflicted with the norms of justice', the UN's main race committee said today as it continued its examination of race relations in Australia.

[recoznet2] Good letters

2000-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Letters to the editor - The Canberra Times http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news2/opinion/opinion1.shtml The Sydney Morning Herald - Letters to the editor Letters: Early critics of mandatory sentencing http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/23/text/letters.html Trudy _

[recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing at: http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - --

[recoznet2] Brand new poll on ninemsn

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/default.asp Do you consider John Howard to be trustworthy? Yes No Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOz

[recoznet2] National Aboriginal broadcast launched

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
National Aboriginal broadcast launched From AAP 22mar00 2.15pm (AEDT) AUSTRALIA'S first national Aboriginal radio broadcast will go to air tonight as Western Australia joins the national indigenous radio service. The broadcast will go out live from Broome, in the Kimberley region, laun

[recoznet2] [FWD] Indigenous Australian Conference Listing service

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: This message has been sent from the national Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander tertiary education mailing list sponsored by the KooriNet project at the Koori Centre, University of Sydney. KooriNet is pleased to announce its new Conference Listing service, at:

[recoznet2] 4 Corners and Graeme Campbell

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
In the context of Graeme Campbell's involvement in the 'divide and conquer' operations in WA as revealed in the Four Corners program, I thought reposting his 'petition' would throw some new light in a dark corner. Note especially his claim that "we stop pandering to the machinations and greed

Re: [recoznet2] 4 Corners and Jabiluka ---For your eyes.

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ly or to in any way question your motives, which I believe to be > of the highest order . > > My apologies once again. > > Laurie. > > Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Trudy Bray wrote....... > > -Original Message- > From: Trudy and R

[recoznet2] Mandatory laws worsen plight of Aborigines, UN tells Ruddock

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
World 9:34 am AEST March 22 2000 Mandatory laws worsen plight of Aborigines, UN tells Ruddock AAP -- Levels of Aboriginal incarceration in the Northern Territory were already unacceptably high and mandatory sentencing had worsened the plight of indigenous people, an Australian government delega

[recoznet2] Some letters worth reading!

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Canberra Times - Letters to the editor (including one by John Bond!) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news2/opinion/opinion1.shtml The Sydney Morning Herald - Letters to the editor http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/22/text/letters.html Trudy -- _ Truth is a pa

[recoznet2] What the Queen won't see

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald What the Queen won't see Date: 22/03/00 by Alan Ramsey IT REMAINS a sad fact of life that many indigenous Australians face a legacy of economic and social disadvantage. Others, particularly from some rural areas, feel left behind: - The Queen, to a Sydney lunch, Monday

[recoznet2] [FWD] Old Island way recognised in new council system

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: Dept of Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Policy & Development Press Release Old Island way recognised in new council system March 17, 2000 The local council electors of Saibai Island in Torres Strait will be the first Queenslanders to vote under a system tai

Re: [recoznet2] 4 Corners and Jabiluka ---For your eyes.

2000-03-21 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Laurie, Laurie Forde wrote: > > Hi Rod, > (snip) > > Thanks very much for keeping me informed and springing to my defence so > rapidly the other day, Rod. > > I am sure that the nature of your early intervention got me back in" the > circle". Actually, Laurie, that had nothing to do with it.

[recoznet2] Cartoon

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/21/html/cartoon.html The truth and John Howard according to Wilcox. Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - ---

[recoznet2] [FWD] Media release re International Day ...

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
media release media release Tuesday, 21st March 2000 How is Australia celebrating the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination? Today, the 21st March, Australia should be joining the world in reaffirming its commitment to the elimination of racial discriminat

[recoznet2] 4 Corners and Jabiluka

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
[For anyone who missed it - it will be shown again at 1:00 pm today on ABC TV ---T] Forwarded from Christine Howes: from the Jabiluka List: For everyone who saw this excellent piece of investigative journalism, it's happening all over the country. The whole story with Kingstream is so similar t

[recoznet2] [FWD] The New Aboriginal Dispossession.

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
reconnet: reconciliation email network Dear all: The following message needs to be widely circulated and demands responses to the relevant corridors of power. Jonathan Barker -Original Message- From: Jim Downing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:

[recoznet2] Articles of interest

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Racist remarks by police caught on video http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/21/text/national01.html Business told to play part in reconciliation http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/21/text/national08.html Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti -

[recoznet2] Laurie is resubbed

2000-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Laurie and I have agreed to disagree about methods but we have reached common ground that we both can live with so Laurie will be rejoining us. I hereby want to welcome Laurie back. Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti --

[recoznet2] Burke tells counterparts to "butt out"

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Is an appropriate 'welcome' being planned for Mr Burke by Melburnians? Trudy - ABC News Mon, 20 Mar 2000 7:07 CDT LOCAL NEWS : Northern Territory Burke tells counterparts to "butt out" The Northern Territory's Chief Minister and Attorney-General, Denis Burke,

[recoznet2] Land returned to traditional owners

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:35 AEDT LOCAL NEWS : Coffs Harbour / Kempsey Land returned to traditional owners The mid-north coast's Aboriginal community is being handed back 100 hectares of land. The property, known as Toms Gully, about 40 kilometres west of Kempsey, was bought by the Indige

[recoznet2] Stolen Generations lawyers to make final submissions

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Mon, 20 Mar 2000 7:38 AEDT Stolen Generations lawyers to make final submissions Lawyers for two Northern Territory members of the Stolen Generations are expected to make final submissions to the Federal Court in Adelaide this week. Lorna Cubillo and Peter Gunner are suing the Federal

[recoznet2] Answer to your concerns

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I will try to address as many issues that have been brought up as possible. First of all, when Bruce was going to leave the list in limbo, there was a yawning silence from all members. Some spoke up and wanted to keep it going but noone except Paul and me stepped in to keep it going. Paul is stil

[recoznet2] List issues

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
-Attachments cannot be processed on the list so please remember: No attachments. -If subscribed to the Digest , please remember to change the subject line to what is being discussed when 'replying' to a message so that there are no 'Re: Recoznet2-L's' in the subject line, please also remember to

[recoznet2] Dumb politics wins the day

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald Monday March 20, 2000 Dumb politics wins the day by Marcia Langton Pauline Hanson and her One Nation Party are partly to blame for the controversial mandatory sentencing laws, writes Marcia Langton. WE are witnessing, in the polarised debate about mandatory sentenci

Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks

2000-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Tim, I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that they are not just my reasons. There are others on this list who have no trouble with the rules and expect them to be followed. They were there from the beginning. I think to ban flaming is the least we can ask from each other and as for who de

Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I didn't see a personal attack, Karen. Jack painted a scenario because you left everyone wondering. You haven't been exactly honest with us, have you? You have defended the police without telling us you weren't a disinterested bystander. You have refused to acknowledge that the police sometimes vi

Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
e- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray > Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 5:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The > Police State? > > So you just gave the police side

[recoznet2] Cut the repeats?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Just a reminder to cut the extraneous bits off any message that you answer please! We don't want to fill the archives with endless repeats when the space could be better utilised. I will try to remember also! ;-) Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamu

Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
are corrupt you know! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray > Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 4:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The > P

Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
To which 'both sides' are you referring? Karen Crook wrote: > > I also come from a police family so my experience has been seen from both > sides. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bra

Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. It explains a lot. Karen Crook wrote: > > Yes > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray > Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 12:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] &

Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray > Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2000 5:36 PM > To: RecOzNet2 > Subject: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police > State? > > Forwarded fr

Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
No, Susanne, that is what made me decide to contact Laurie. It was her expressed intention to use personal attack (rather than attack a point of view) as a way to further the cause of Indigenous Australians and her intention to do so on the list whenever she felt justified that made me decide to r

[recoznet2] A must see Moir cartoon!

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/18/html/cartoon.html I hope they prove this cartoon wrong but I'm not holding my breath! Trudy -- * Make the Hunger Site your homepage! http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html * -

[recoznet2] Personal attacks

2000-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I had hoped not to have to enforce the rules quite so quickly but after some discussion with Laurie off-list, and her avowal not to stop attacking anyone she perceives as a racist, I have removed her from Recoznet2. I take no pleasure in doing this but I don't want the list to degenerate into na

[recoznet2] ATSIC says mandatory sentencing killing reconciliation

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:38 AEDT ATSIC says mandatory sentencing killing reconciliation The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission's (ATSIC) southern zone commissioner for the Northern Territory, says the Federal Government's approach to mandatory sentencing is killing the reconcil

[recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Protecting children from the foolishness of adults

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: Friday 17/3/00 : ATSIC Media Release Protecting children from the foolishness of adults News that there won't be any government support for a private member's bill exempting children from the Northern Territory's mandatory sentencing regime is a cause for despair

[recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State?

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police State? ATSIC has joined civil liberties groups and Queensland's Anti Discrimination Commissioner in warning of a massive increase in arbitrary and unappealable police powers, including controversial new "move on" provi

[recoznet2] Ruddock asked not to wear Amnesty's badge of honour

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:34 AEDT Ruddock asked not to wear Amnesty's badge of honour Amnesty International has publicly asked Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock to remove his membership badge during ministerial duties. The human rights organisation has accused Mr Ruddock of bringing Amnesty

[recoznet2] [Fwd: Urgent Attention - CERD Submissions]

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Original Message Subject: Urgent Attention - CERD Submissions Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: ffionnan brooke-watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Friends, Reminder Press Conference and Launch Monday 20th March '00 11:30am Parliament House - at the Mos

[recoznet2] Liberals have lost their conscience

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald Liberals have lost their conscience Date: 18/03/00 Late last year Amnesty International wrote to Philip Ruddock, the Minister for Immigration, and asked that he no longer wear his AI lapel badge when speaking in his capacity as Federal minister. The private letter cite

[recoznet2] SMH - The letter from the four judges

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Letters: Clever politics or pandering to prejudice? Date: 18/03/00 The inability of the national political process to achieve reconciliation with indigenous Australians and to terminate mandatory sentencing provides a disturbing insight into the practical operation of the simplistic notion that

Re: [recoznet2] Funny but very scary!

2000-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
But these sort of shows should really be taken with a grain of salt. > > Do we believe all movies because a lot of them have real life stuff? A lot > of things get over-exaggerated. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
tdunlop wrote: >My only point was really to address the question of how we > know we are right about something, but maybe that wasn't clear. To that > extent Nelson's comments were interesting, even if they apparently duped > people like me. I wasn't implying you were duped. People who care

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi Tim, I searched high and low for that letter in the print edition and the online version and it has not been published. Maybe they will do so tomorrow for the weekend edition but if they don't, I will contact the Herald and ask about it. Trudy tdunlop wrote: PS: Trudy: Have you come acr

[recoznet2] Liberal rules out crossing floor on sentencing

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:03 AEDT Liberal rules out crossing floor on sentencing A key Federal Liberal MP, Brendan Nelson, has ruled out crossing the floor to overturn mandatory sentencing laws for juveniles. Brendan Nelson is one of several MPs who strongly oppose mandatory sentencing, who c

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Funny, how people see things differently! ;-) When I heard him say that last night, I thought it was a Howard inspired cop-out. This is just the sort of thing Howard would say to confuse the issue and misdirect the focus of what was really being discussed. IF, and it's a big 'if', politicians r

[recoznet2] SMH Online Poll

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/17/pageone/pageone2.html Should the Prime Minister allow a conscience vote on mandatory sentencing? Trudy -- * Make the Hunger Site your homepage! http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html * ---

Re: [recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
the issue?  Even today's stories in the SMH might cause some to rethink. You know what they say about a drop of honey being better than a gallon of gall. Graham Y - Original Message ----- From: Trudy and Rod Bray To: RecOzNet2 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: [r

[recoznet2] Email addresses of MPs and Senators

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
 Bruce Baird MP    [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Kerry Bartlett MP [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Christine Gallus MP  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Petro Georgiou MP   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Brendan Nelson MP  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Peter Nugent MP  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Christopher Pyne MP    [EMAIL PRO

[recoznet2] White feather email

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
If anyone wants to send a white feather to the MPs and Senators who misplaced their consciences when the crunch came but can't get any physical white feathers, I have a jpeg of a white feather which can be sent in an email. Let me know if you want me to forward it. If you send it, make sure you h

[recoznet2] Howard damned on four fronts

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
THE AGE Howard damned on four fronts By MICHAEL GORDON Friday 17 March 2000 The Howard Government stands condemned for its blatant expediency, hypocrisy, inconsistency and cant on the issue of mandatory sentencing. Expediency, because it is prepared to use the weight of numbers in its party roo

[recoznet2] Revealed: human rights whitewash

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald Revealed: human rights whitewash Date: 17/03/00 By MARK RILEY, Herald Correspondent in New York Politically explosive findings that placed Australia in direct violation of international human rights conventions were dumped from a United Nations report on mandatory sent

Re: [recoznet2] Funny but very scary!

2000-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
life. Just people being silly and having crazy fun. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray > Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2000 9:21 AM > To: RecOzNet2 > Subject: [recoznet2] Funny but very scary! > >

[recoznet2] Tent Embassy

2000-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald (print edition) Small 'fill in' article: Tent Embassy The Federal Government has admitted it plans to close the Aboriginal Tent Embassy after years of attempts to remove the structure that for many has become a symbol of the indigenous struggle. Mr Michael Anderson,

[recoznet2] Historian claims federation hurt Aborigines

2000-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Thur, 16 Mar 2000 11:46 CDT LOCAL NEWS : Alice Springs Historian claims federation hurt Aborigines A leading University of New South Wales historian says Federation was a significant step backwards for Aboriginal rights. Bruce Scates says before 1900, many Aborigines had the right

[recoznet2] Govt gags Beazley's bill to overturn mandatory sentencing

2000-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:37 AEDT Govt gags Beazley's bill to overturn mandatory sentencing The Federal Government has gagged debate on a bill introduced by the Opposition leader Kim Beazley to override mandatory sentencing laws for juveniles. The Government yesterday effectively shelved deb

[recoznet2] Bills flood parliament to overturn mandatory sentencing

2000-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Thu, 16 Mar 2000 9:41 AEDT Bills flood parliament to overturn mandatory sentencing Federal Labor leader Kim Beazley says he will introduce his own mandatory sentencing bill, identical to that passed yesterday by the Senate. The Senate yesterday passed a bill put forward by Greens Sena

[recoznet2] Inside the Liberal defeat of liberals

2000-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald Inside the Liberal defeat of liberals Date: 16/03/00 By MIKE SECCOMBE By the time yesterday's fractious special meeting of the Liberal and National parties had ended, so had any prospect of Federal Government action to override the Northern Territory's mandatory sent

[recoznet2] Coalition backbenchers abandon mandatory jailing bills

2000-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Coalition backbenchers abandon mandatory jailing bills Source: AAP | Published: Wednesday March 15, 4:52 PM Prime Minister John Howard derailed federal attempts to overturn mandatory sentencing today when government backbenchers agreed to abandon two legislative attacks on the Northern Territor

[recoznet2] Senate passes mandatory sentencing bill

2000-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Senate passes mandatory sentencing bill Source: AAP | Published: Wednesday March 15, 1:24 PM The Senate has passed a bill overturning mandatory sentencing laws in Western Australia and the Northern Territory. But the bill, which would stop the jailing of children under the controversial laws,

[recoznet2] Laws 'flawed and morally wrong'

2000-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
THE AGE Laws 'flawed and morally wrong' By MICHAEL GORDON Wednesday 15 March 2000 The last time a Government MP proposed a private member's bill to overturn a law of the Northern Territory Parliament, he did so at the express invitation of the Prime Minister, Mr John Howard. It was less than

[recoznet2] Interesting idea!

2000-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Here's a letter to the editor at the SMH: I've got a good idea. Let's make tax evasion in the Northern Territory subject to mandatory sentencing and, just to make it interesting, the Tax Office would audit everyone for the past 10 years. Same rules: one transgression, 14 days' jail; three transgr

[recoznet2] Funny but very scary!

2000-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
There was a brilliant example of polls and ignorance on last night's Michael Moore's The Awful Truth: (Paraphrased) In a poll which asked if America should commence bombing Sweden if current sanctions did not work, 22% of Americans said 'yes'. (!) Trudy -- * Mak

[recoznet2] Report reveals physical abuse of young detainees in NSW

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Report reveals physical abuse of young detainees in NSW centre Source: AAP | Published: Tuesday March 14, 2:20 PM A damning report into the causes of four riots at a NSW juvenile detention centre last year has revealed a culture of physical and verbal abuse of detainees by staff. The report u

[recoznet2] Fwd: Amnesty: Crunch time for children's human rights in Australia

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Fwd: Issued today to Australian media from the International Secretariat of Amnesty International: News Service 048/00 AI INDEX: ASA 12/03/00 14 March 2000 Crunch time for children's human rights in Australia As Australia's Senators debate mandatory d

Re: [recoznet2] Conscience vote unlikely on mandatory sentencing

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Graham, Here is an expanded list from one of this morning's articles: "Moderate number cruncher Mr Christopher Pyne confirmed in a statement that moderates would not support the Senate legislation. Mr Pyne did not return calls yesterday, nor did other Liberal dissidents. They include NSW member

[recoznet2] HTML postings

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi everyone, I have asked this before but people just seem to forget or not care - would you please not post in HTML to Recoznet2? Some people's email systems can't handle it and for ease of discussion, it is impossible to cut into to address specific points. There is no need for HTML unless i

[recoznet2] SMH Editorial: Punishment on principle

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald Editorial: Punishment on principle Date: 14/03/2000 THE division within the Senate committee on mandatory sentencing is a measure of how easily side issues can contaminate a question of principle. The minority report by the two Liberal senators, Helen Coonan and Marise

[recoznet2] Extract of Marise Payne's speech

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/14/text/features7.html Can we suffer this unjust law? This is an edited extract from Senator Marise Payne's speech to Federal Parliament yesterday. -- * Make the Hunger Site your homepage! http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html **

[recoznet2] Full Senate Report

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/mandatory/index.htm The full Senate Report on mandatory sentencing is available at the URL above. Trudy - -- * Make the Hunger Site your homepage! http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html *

Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I am forwarding Graham Young's message which bounced because it was too long. Please, everyone remember to remove the older parts of messages that are not needed for clarity. Trudy ** Karen, I am sorry that you feel that I was attacking you. That wasn't my = intentio

Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
s ago stating that a recent poll showed a large majority (over 50%) of Australians agreed with John Howard??   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [recoznet2] Re: AAP: UN provides Australia with mandatory sentencing advice

2000-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hello Heinz, Thanks for explaining that. Apparently, the government started lobbying almost immediately, just like they did with Jabiluka, so it is difficult to know what is going on. Unfortunately, I don't think any other UN body will be heeded by this government either. Trudy [EMAIL PROTECT

[recoznet2] Don't forget to watch 4 Corners tonight!

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
A Well Founded Fear of Persecution ABC TV: Monday, March 13, 8.30pm Repeated: Tuesday, March 14, 1pm MEN accused of no crime put in jail, bound and gagged, verbally abused, forcibly and repeatedly injected. This litany of alleged human rights violations comes not from some Third World d

[recoznet2] Inquiry recommends overturning of mandatory sentencing laws

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC News Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:18 AEDT Inquiry recommends overturning of mandatory sentencing laws The Senate inquiry into mandatory sentencing has recommmended the laws for juveniles in Western Australia and the Northern Territory be overturned. Committee chair Labor Senator Jim McKiernan, says m

[recoznet2] Brisvegas Event: World Music Day

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Fwd: The following event may be of interestFeel free to pass this email on. An A4 flyer on the concert can be copied and distributed from the Internet link http://www.premiers.qld.gov.au/about/maq/flyer.jpg It looks great on coloured paper! Harmony Day celebrated with world music The unique

[recoznet2] Sydney Event: Black Irish

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Forwarded from Christine Howes: SUNDAY MARCH 19th - COME AND MARCH IN SYDNEY St Patrick's Day is looming once again with a call to the Black Irish to come out in force for Sydney's annual march through the city's streets. Aaron Ross, one of the organisers, said the march was important because

Re: [recoznet2] Peter McGrath

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Yes, Lance Kelly also left but he did not give his reasons. Trudy karyn fearnside wrote: > Trudy, > did Lance Kelly also leave, and if so did you find out what his reasons > were? > yes it is awful that Peter had to leave. > karyn > __ > Get Y

[recoznet2] UN provides Australia with mandatory sentencing advice

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I wonder how much the government spent on lobbying the UNCHR for a tame report? --- Trudy UN provides Australia with mandatory sentencing advice Source: AAP | Published: Monday March 13, 3:49 PM The United Nations has reminded the Australian gove

[recoznet2] Pryor's cartoon

2000-03-12 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news2/opinion/opinion3.shtml Pryor's cartoon in the Canberra Times is at the URL above. Trudy -- * Make the Hunger Site your homepage! http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html *

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