is relevant to) everything is
released together, so it is impossible to tell, really, whether it was
released with applications or workspaces.
in the past it has been treated as part of workspaces, but not a core
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that.
If we don't get clarity about what we communicate to whom, and make sure
that how we use version numbers fits into this, we will confuse people.
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yes, that too.
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confident to make it work at that
point in time.
Even with a single stable branch owner?
I completely agree that the everyone backports does not work for something
like Frameworks (for various reasons), and that is not what I was suggesting.
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an easy-to-grep / ctrl-f
list. since it is a stable branch, the number of commits ought to be small. it
also resets every stable branch cycle. this is not something that needs to
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kdelibs. applications that build against / use nepomuk continue to
do so, and applications that port to baloo's API can elect to do so as of
4.13.
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that then.
really the worst thing we can do for external confidence is say “we don’t
know”, because that translates externally to “we aren’t planning”. but we are
planning. so we do know. and that’s what we need to communicate.
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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 00:24:53 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dilluns, 19 d'agost de 2013, a les 22:18:26, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure:
On Monday, August 19, 2013 22:14:26 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
There will be a 4.13? Most probably.
Will it be in 2014? For sure
Which month? Noone
(though I'm a few weeks out of date in my builds of
this) is a rock solid config UI.. the version I have doesn't make cloning
screens easy. ... but there is time to make that happen.
Otherwise, MASSIVE +1.
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anything old
and by new plugin he means new to kde-runtime. we've shipped it with plasma
active for a number of releases now. the code in question is not new and it is
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involved in the module,
who, exactly?
so I'd like to hear that
explanation of why we need to go your way too, if possible.
read our previous emails on the matter.
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On Sunday, April 28, 2013 18:46:57 Àlex Fiestas wrote:
On Saturday 27 April 2013 10:11:59 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Saturday, April 27, 2013 01:40:13 Àlex Fiestas wrote:
We could apply the same argument we can use for applications to most of
kde-workspace and kde-runtime, their port to Qt5
be to process the split of kde-workspace as
we know the shape of PW2.
no stress for developers, no
stress for packagers, maybe bit more work for release team though.
this would be quite a bit more stressful for myself. i imagine i'm not the
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and when KFS/PW2 is usable and
available is an important part of the story.
does it matter if the applications keep releasing? has anyone noticed this is
already the case for a year in kdelibs?
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On Saturday, June 9, 2012 13:40:29 Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Samstag 09 Juni 2012, 12:57:16 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
now, i really don't understand the use of words like stupid and dumb.
I'll leave the fist fighting to others, and would like to apologize for my
choice of words.
cool
roll
within our projects, and has zero to do with scapegoating, blame, etc. (I
think there's a hint of irony in your message as a result :)
Anyways, I hope that helps to explain what was meant by my original statement.
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this better for
packagers (perhaps they can weigh in on this for us as well ..) but i'd love
to see releases be a much more peaceful and enjoyable time :)
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On Monday, June 4, 2012 11:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
do with blame or responsibility, but rather ensuring that there are enough
e.. i meant to write blame or scapegoating :)
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a relatively low bus number of
2, but that's a lot better than 1.
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On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 19:55:02 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
Please do not confuse team work with democracy. I like team work, I do take
suggestions, but at the end each person in a team has a given role and a
given attributions for that role, the release dude does the releases.
+1
And as
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 20:19:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
so we need a soprano release. i'll try and push people to get this done.
it's one tag / tarball, it can't be a big deal.
ok, just talked with one of the devs. apparently Trueg is MIA while moving
house at the moment, but it is releasable
On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 20:49:05 Manuel Tortosa wrote:
El Dimarts, 29 de maig de 2012, a les 20:45:14, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure:
ok, just talked with one of the devs. apparently Trueg is MIA while moving
house at the moment, but it is releasable and there are even release notes
there were lots of
changes asked for and Valentin met them all.
also correct. it would be a shame to see his efforts miss another release.
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On Monday, November 7, 2011 16:35:57 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
A Dilluns, 7 de novembre de 2011, Aaron J. Seigo vàreu escriure:
On Sunday, November 6, 2011 10:29:56 Allen Winter wrote:
Do you mean to remove it from the kdelibs-4.7 branch?
it should definitely be removed from kdelibs-master
for the plasma-mobile
repository.
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branches of kde-workspace.. the commit
in the 4.7 branch is 285347
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On Tuesday, November 1, 2011 10:25:59 you wrote:
the commit in the 4.7 branch is 285347
c'n'p error, grabbed the wrong ref... try this instead:
cbce41f094753fe75e9abd9d2ccd1d45d18b7a89
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so that code that did variant.valueKSecretsSevice::SecretStruct()
would still work properly as expected. perhaps i'm mis-remembering here, but
this should be checked into before we ship it...
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On Monday, October 31, 2011 10:21:44 you wrote:
On 10/31/2011 10:10 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2011 14:15:40 David Faure wrote:
I was going to write back with some of the points that Aaron made, but,
he made them. :-)
From a secur...@kde.org perspective we've had some
branch and the new version
in this repository.
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present and make it available
to our broader community is where we (as a community) need to improve on.
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. the issue is having to
manually keep up a bunch of git repositories individually, from cloning to
pulling, ensuring they are in the correct hierarchy initially on disk, etc.
as such, imho, the kdeutils scratch repo really doesn't help much.
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about this more in berlin... hopefully release team
people will be there? :)
and thanks, btw, for caring enough about these issues to speak up on them.
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while it won't have significant impact in terms of uptake on desktop
focussed distros, i think there are significant advantages across the board
for us.
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but think: thank
goodness i wrote in a fallback to a simpler KTextEdit)
in any case, i think there are reasons for doing this that will leave fewer
question marks behind you. :)
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On Saturday, January 29, 2011, Christoph Cullmann wrote:
On Saturday 29 January 2011 18:36:17 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Saturday, January 29, 2011, Christoph Cullmann wrote:
- keep ktexteditor where it is (to have BC+SC kept) and have a small
copy in kate.git to allow easier development
as ship stopper: bug 246678 and
262274,
Is the second one really a show stopper? Maybe users without bugzilla
no, it's not a show stopper for an entire release. i've removed the keyword.
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On Tuesday, January 18, 2011, Frank Reininghaus wrote:
Hi,
Am Dienstag 18 Januar 2011, 17:57:01 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
There is a bug which lets some KDE apps (especially Dolphin) crash
every time they are closed:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257944
has strigi devels
out what topics needs to be covered more.
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On Wednesday, December 8, 2010, Torgny Nyblom wrote:
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:50:33 -0800
Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 8, 2010, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
- the 20th December is just before Christmas, some devels will not be
aware of the change (I think most
) - where
yes, it is possible. but because it's more effort and inconvenient,
realistically i think we can count on the backport rate going down. we'll
survive, of course :)
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install headers so people can build modules
separately.
perhaps we need a internal to KDE SC header install location?
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for bringing this tool to KDE :)
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for how it should align to a generic six month
cycle.
Thanks! :)
And finally: thank you to everyone who will be helping to make all of the
above come true with success. It's going to be humongous.
Hugs to everyone who has already put some of the time, energy and mirth into
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that). and we're still
seeing numerous commits to the 4.5 branch.
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Platform C++ release? this would avoid a trade off
between rushed bindings and more warts in the C++ API.
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think this schedule is looking good and imho we should try and
make it official by wednesday at the latest and announce it at that point to
k-c-d.
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prefer at the point of rc1 tagging so that we have the
full development time window to ensure API goodness. Simon (and other bindings
people): would that be enough time for you folks?
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that the beta cycles are
pretty long as it is. There's also only two weeks between beta 1 and beta 2,
more in line with the more aggressive beta release schedule.
Since this really isn't my area of forte, input is quite welcome :)
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done :)
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SVN commit 1087230 by aseigo:
backport r1073143:
* make the reading of disk usage actually async (e.g. we return between each
device check)
* don't check every 10s (wtf?!), but only when requested; this moves it into
the hands of the visualization
what this means is that plasma sleeps more,
On February 4, 2010, Dirk Mueller wrote:
Hi,
both seem to be present in 4.4.0 as well. does anyone know which commits
introduced those bugs?
if nobody answers here, this should go to kdepim-devel@
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(to kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktop/shells/desktopview.[h|cpp])
should be in 4.4.0; they fix a bug with folderview-as-desktop-activity on
multiscreen systems.
sorry i didn't get these in sooner... this looks like the last of the serious
issues for 4.4.0 in any case.
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is working on this and by when?
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as without a functioning nepomuk, we end up with hobbled
applications that seems a worthwhile trade off.
if the issue is that k3b doesn't use any of the libraries that link against /
require soprano/virtuoso, then perhaps kdelibs could be broken out better in
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into multiple categories
(with kdeedu being a miscellaneous category catcher?) or if Rocs is being
kept separate because of it's target audience (uni/high school)?
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a great way to go. if we can't figure out how things relate with each other,
will they be able to (and do so with good results)?
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On September 26, 2009, Helio Chissini de Castro wrote:
Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:
On September 23, 2009, Tom Albers wrote:
** Qt 4.6 dependency in trunk **
The release team has decided that KDE 4.4.0 will depend on Qt 4.6. To
give developers the time to work with Qt 4.6, we have decided
decide what to
do at that moment.
once we decide to depend on 4.6, it'll be really hard to go back as there are
new features that will end up being used in our code. i think that's an
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about on k-c-d a few times we probably do it the wrong way around by
backporting instead of fixing in stable and then forward porting. but again,
svn makes this impractical.
but i don't think that's what we're dealing with here, though, as Eike hints
at in his email.
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out there
in the wild are actually a couple revs prior to the actual rc1 branching.
will there be an rc2? i know plasma at least would appreciate such a thing,
though i think we can also manage without if it's too big of a deal.
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. run in terminal) ... other than that, we should be pretty good
to go. i assume we'll continue bug fixing right through to final release, of
course.
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Dirk Mueller wrote:
a) are all dependent projects (akonadi,phonon and various libs) ready for
a release?
wer're pretty good in Plasma, though i have another day's work left on
famous last words? ;) marco committed
one vote to commit.
Please wait until someone else gives an ok too before committing.
graphics module maintainer gives his +1 too :)
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comment on the bug asking for such information.
btw, how is this bug a blocker when it's been in previous releases?
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with the kde-4.2.1-blocker keyword in bugzilla and I'll review the
list.
should be sent to k-c-d as well?
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not be working on 4.2? (Honest
questions, i know next to nothing about the translation procedures)
So, just in my personal opinion, we can drop 4.1.4 and spent our energy to
4.2.0.
+1 from me, for the imho good reasons you outline.
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On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
A Dijous 04 Desembre 2008, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure:
On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Tom Albers wrote:
should translators not be working on 4.2? (Honest
questions, i know next to nothing about the translation procedures)
Who says
in
terms of release requirements.
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On Friday 21 November 2008, Torsten Rahn wrote:
We have reconsidered the case and it looks like we'd rather like to see
the dezibel-kde part shipped for KDE 4.3.
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On Monday 17 November 2008, Dirk Mueller wrote:
I think it should be moved to kdereview and we should target the decision
about inclusion with Beta2.
this sounds sensible and practical, imho.
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On Sunday 02 November 2008, Allen Winter wrote:
* Plasmagik plasma packages and add-on creator
won't be in 4.2, unfortunately.
thankfully we succeeded in a ton of other things for 4.2 =)
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very open and happy to make the adjustments.
i'm really impressed with how some of the project areas in kde have just
blossomed with understading, intelligent ad sensible people (edu, games,
graphics in particular)
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for bringing this to our attention. i've been working 16-18
hours a day on a project for the last several days, so i'm a little distracted
and completely missed this one.
many eyes do make bugs shallow... =))
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it's certainly one way to skin this cat.
something else that would be grand is a published iCal file that people can add
to their korganizer...
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the 4.1
cycle and things like nepomuk, soprano, eigen, akonadi are all a mess in
the releases.
Akonadi is the first one in the effort to stabilize kdesupport in last
weeks, but is way too much to do ahead, and for after 4.2
agreed ..
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and Plasma) and likely others.
the KDE imaging people are planning a sprint in november as well.. i believe
that time was chosen in part due to the previous schedule.
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questions are not an indictment or a measure of distrust in the process. they
are, rather, out of respect for what is working and a desire to see this team
remain a healthy and well-oiled machine.
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necessary to make an informed decision. So
they default to revert everything.
A list of changes you made to kicker here would probably fix that.
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On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Benoit Minisini wrote:
On mardi 19 août 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Benoit Minisini wrote:
So, having done all this work during a month just to hear that
everything will be removed at the day of the release is a bit... rude.
Benoit
, is not used by a huge number of
people and does not result in catastrophic behaviour (such as crashes). it
gets prioritized as such, and i don't think a release should be held up
because of it.
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anything about.
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On Thursday 17 July 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
note that it's not something we (plasma) are likely able to do anything
about.
i meant are *not* likely able to do anything about. it seems to be an issue
with event redirection in QProxyWidget...
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and a million apologies in advance for asking to violate the freeze in this
manner.
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plasmoids (package based
applets) in there, but even then DataEngines, themes, etc are not plasmoids.
just as kdeplasma would be confusing, kdeplasmoids will be as well.
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hi all..
it seems that the systray show stopper has been fixed. if we do run into
problems post-rc1 with the fix, we'll re-open the bug and inform the release-
team. but if you don't hear from us, then no news is good news =)
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of.
there are lingering multi-screen issues with plasma, but those aren't RC
blockers IMO as they only affect some people in some situations and look to be
vanilla-Qt bugs in some cases anyways.
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a crash in gtk+ =/
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are.
=P
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of SoC
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Goals, or that I should reschedule it for the 4.2 Goals?
resched for 4.2 i think so the SoC project can have its run. whether it will
land in base or extragear is the only question at this point.
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