Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-07 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 00:51:56 Albert Astals Cid wrote: To be honest from a release team point of view I feel here that the plasma guys are forcing a whole module lock down without any reason we've shared our reasons, so i don't know why you say this. and without the agreement of everyone

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-07 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dimarts, 7 de maig de 2013, a les 09:25:13, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 00:51:56 Albert Astals Cid wrote: To be honest from a release team point of view I feel here that the plasma guys are forcing a whole module lock down without any reason we've shared our

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-07 Thread Àlex Fiestas
Sorry for forgetting sending an email to the list. I also give my +1 on the freeze. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: El Dimarts, 7 de maig de 2013, a les 09:25:13, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 00:51:56 Albert Astals Cid wrote:

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-07 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 21:34:47 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimarts, 7 de maig de 2013, a les 09:25:13, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 00:51:56 Albert Astals Cid wrote: To be honest from a release team point of view I feel here that the plasma guys are forcing a

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-07 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi Frank, On Friday, April 26, 2013 17:16:06 Frank Reininghaus wrote: 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: On Friday, April 26, 2013 15:37:09 Frank Reininghaus wrote: 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Diumenge, 28 d'abril de 2013, a les 20:38:20, Martin Graesslin va escriure: On Sunday 28 April 2013 18:46:57 Àlex Fiestas wrote: what i'm not OK with is delaying the entire PW2 effort for powerdevil (e.g.) what I'm not Ok with is waiting until PW2 is ready to do big changes in

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-05-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 29 d'abril de 2013, a les 11:45:52, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure: On Sunday, April 28, 2013 18:46:57 Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Saturday 27 April 2013 10:11:59 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Saturday, April 27, 2013 01:40:13 Àlex Fiestas wrote: We could apply the same argument we can use

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Sunday, April 28, 2013 18:46:57 Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Saturday 27 April 2013 10:11:59 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Saturday, April 27, 2013 01:40:13 Àlex Fiestas wrote: We could apply the same argument we can use for applications to most of kde-workspace and kde-runtime, their port to Qt5

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-28 Thread Martin Klapetek
Hey, On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote: Hey, On Friday, April 26, 2013 23:28:34 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Of course, this being a proposal, its main purpose is to sollicit feedback, but I'd also move towards a solution, as far as this describes

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-28 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Sunday 28 April 2013 18:46:57 Àlex Fiestas wrote: what i'm not OK with is delaying the entire PW2 effort for powerdevil (e.g.) what I'm not Ok with is waiting until PW2 is ready to do big changes in powerdevil. I also don't want to have pressue to put stuff in 4.11 just beacuse there

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag, 27. April 2013, 09:51:19 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: On Friday, April 26, 2013 18:36:07 Scott Kitterman wrote: It matters less that workspace is frozen if applications aren't, but unlike kdelibs, users see the workspace. yes. which is why we don't want to just ship a 4.12 and

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-27 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Friday 26 April 2013 18:36:07 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:27:49 AM Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday, April 26, 2013 18:15:03 Scott Kitterman wrote: impression is that your goal is to get more people working on KFS/PW2 and your chosen method to achieve it is

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-27 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, April 27, 2013 01:40:13 Àlex Fiestas wrote: We could apply the same argument we can use for applications to most of kde-workspace and kde-runtime, their port to Qt5 will be mostly execute a script and use KDE4support. firstly, this is not about kde-runtime (at least not for me).

Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning in the next year: - Make 4.11 Platform and Workspaces a long-term maintainance release

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Torgny Nyblom
On Friday 26 April 2013 15.27.40 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning in the next year: -

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Reininghaus
Hi, 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning in the next year: - Make 4.11 Platform and

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Rex Dieter
On 04/26/2013 08:37 AM, Frank Reininghaus wrote: Hi, 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning in

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Friday, April 26, 2013 15:37:09 Frank Reininghaus wrote: 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr What exactly is part of this proposal then? Is it (a)

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Friday, April 26, 2013 08:44:35 Rex Dieter wrote: With my packager-hat on, this raises some concern about future possible version assumptions being broken (ie, packaging that assumes constant versioning across all kde core packages). That's something that will have to be dealt with

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Reininghaus
Hi, 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: On Friday, April 26, 2013 15:37:09 Frank Reininghaus wrote: 2013/4/26 Sebastian Kügler: tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr What exactly is part of

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Friday 26 April 2013, Sebastian Kügler wrote: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr IMO this is not about handling releases, but about the mid-term development strategy of KDE. I

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Friday 26 April 2013 18:35:41 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Sebastian Kügler wrote: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr IMO this is not about

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi Alex, On Friday, April 26, 2013 18:35:41 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Sebastian Kügler wrote: tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr IMO this is not about

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Divendres, 26 d'abril de 2013, a les 15:27:40, Sebastian Kügler va escriure: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hey, On Friday, April 26, 2013 23:28:34 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Of course, this being a proposal, its main purpose is to sollicit feedback, but I'd also move towards a solution, as far as this describes common ground among all stakeholders. What do you think? I'm all for it if

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, April 26, 2013 03:27:40 PM Sebastian Kügler wrote: Hi, tldr Let's make 4.11 the last feature release for platform and workspace in the 4 series, make 4.11 a long term maintainance release. /tldr I would like to propose the following for our release planning in the next year:

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday, April 26, 2013 18:15:03 Scott Kitterman wrote: impression is that your goal is to get more people working on KFS/PW2 and your chosen method to achieve it is by enforcing a stop on feature work in KDE4 platform/workspace. this isn't our goal. our goal is to allow those of us

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-26 Thread Àlex Fiestas
Imho this is a good strategy for the 1%, for those applications that need heavy re-factoring in order to work or make proper use of Qt5 (Plasma and KWin), however I'm still not convinced that this is a good strategy for the other 99%. We could apply the same argument we can use for applications