Re: KDEPIM 4.4.10 Planning

2011-01-13 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
have occurred with 4.6 kdelibs|kdepimlibs -- please don't hesitate to do so. Comments? Objections? -Allen ___ Kde-packager mailing list kde-packa...@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-packager -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux

Re: KDE 4.6.1 tarballs (try #1) uploaded

2011-02-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
4096 25. Feb 22:55 plasma huettel@pinacolada ~/tmp $ Should we adapt our build scripts / ebuilds, or do you want to change the tarball so it follows the same structure as 4.6.0 ? Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de

Re: KDE 4.6.2 tarballs (try#1)

2011-04-02 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https

Re: KDE 4.6.2 tarballs (try#1)

2011-04-02 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
issues or build failures with those tarballs to me. Thanks, Dirk ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http

Re: KDE 4.6.2 tarballs (try#1)

2011-04-02 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Just as update, this problem occurs *ONLY* if the little flag for switching keyboard layouts is activated. No keyboard layout switcher in kicker - no segfaults of screenlocker. On Saturday 02 April 2011 20:33:43 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Not a build problem, but definitely a blocker

Re: KDE 4.6.2 tarballs (try#1)

2011-04-03 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
/754b4aee80ef521433c8179bca122c22135f5118 On Saturday 02 April 2011 22:25:02 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Just as update, this problem occurs *ONLY* if the little flag for switching keyboard layouts is activated. No keyboard layout switcher in kicker - no segfaults of screenlocker. On Saturday 02 April 2011 20:33

Re: KDE 4.6.2 tarballs (try#1)

2011-04-04 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
On Friday 01 April 2011 21:47:44 Dirk Mueller wrote: I just finished uploading the first set of tarballs. BTW, the files are public on ftp.kde.org now... Intention or accident? :) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc

Re: modular kdelibs: packagers' view

2011-06-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
) in baby steps. Indeed. And please *** do not start with it *** before finishing the git migration, thinking about and deciding on the splitting of the rest of KDE, as otherwise everything will just end up as One Uncontrollable Mess. -- Andreas K. Huettel (dilfridge) Gentoo Linux developer kde

Re: No more release schedules.

2011-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
with the if they like part, since we all know already how much pain the out of sync kdepim caused. Suggestion 2 fails with the independent of the schedules part, because you can't release somthing that is not stabilized and tested. Please try to get some sense back... Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel

Re: No more release schedules.

2011-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
made some very valid points there. Breaking KDE up does not help, and the coordinated releases were/are a great thing. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: 4.6.4 heads up

2011-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
is (slightly) different. Which one should we take? I suspect kalzium/libscience because a typo is fixed there... Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: No more release schedules.

2011-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
as a working whole, not released as an assembly of hopefully working pieces. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team

Re: [Kde-graphics-devel] kdegraphics 4.6.4 tarball contains the wrong okular

2011-06-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
, I guess you're the one who gets hit most by the git migration. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing

Re: Commit IDs for 4.7.2

2011-10-15 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-workspace and kdelibs (4.7.2 final release)? Thanks! :) Javier ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team -- Andreas K. Huettel (dilfridge) Gentoo Linux developer kde, sci, arm, tex

Re: Fwd: Requesting freeze exception for JtG

2011-11-25 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
to point out that you are the one trying to get around the well-known rules. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman

Re: Tags for recent releases are missing in the git repositories of kdelibs and kde-workspace

2011-12-12 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
* has 4.7.4 tags, even though both versions are officially released now. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team

Re: Potential data loss with bug 289945

2012-01-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
, the only change was my upgrade to KDE 4.8 beta, currently RC2 Thank you for looking into this Regards, Myriam -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: KDE 4.8.0 tarballs (try#1)

2012-01-19 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
issues either to kde-packager or release-team You really, really need to fix your scripts :) kdeaccessibility and kdeutils are traditionally missing. Ping? :) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description

Re: Re: KDE 4.8.0 tarballs (try#1)

2012-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
they are split into subtarballs now, following git module split. [...] I'm sorry, I can not maintain two sets of tarballs, it is just too much time that I don't have. Thanks Dirk. That's perfectly fine... just tell us please, so there is no confusion. :) Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K

Re: Re: Calling off Beta1

2012-05-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
version plus tarball to depend on is a great idea. 2) However, how about giving people one release to get used to new things? So far some rules have been ignored, next time people will know that rules will not be ignored, fine. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri

Re: Re: Re: Request for delaying 4.8.4 request

2012-06-06 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
with review would be a huge bonus, and could in the end lead to a 4.8.5 release. Making KDE even more stable and user-friendly! -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, sci, arm, tex, printing signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: 4.9 beta2 packages available

2012-06-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
/fileviewgitplugin.cpp:543: undefined reference to `KVersionControlPlugin2::itemVersionsChanged()' [...] -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: 4.9 beta2 packages available

2012-06-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Freitag 08 Juni 2012, 19:20:21 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel: Am Freitag 08 Juni 2012, 01:57:59 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: I have not tried the packages are buildable so testing more than welcome :-) The dolphin git and svn plugins fail to link here, probably an underlinking or linking

Re: 4.9 beta2 packages available

2012-06-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-4.8.90.log -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
on follow the same workflow as the rest of kde again. With Git that is certainly possible. Which obviously does not mean that suddenly all of kdelibs should be rewritten or broken. However, imposing this branch weirdness on everyone else for pure political reasons is just wrong. -- Andreas K

Re: smokekde build failures in beta2 tarballs:

2012-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
on. http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2012-June/005868.html -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team

Re: ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

2012-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
publically at *that* time. 2) my feeling of a different perception of stable between packagers and developers -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Kde-bindings] Fwd: smokekde build failures in beta2 tarballs:

2012-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
and installs fine on Gentoo. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https

Re: [Kde-bindings] smokekde build failures in beta2 tarballs:

2012-06-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
? Well the Perl crowd does stuff like version number is treated as float... not that I approve of that... imho most people will interpret it correctly. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Nepomuk crashes in 4.8.4 fixed in KDE/4.8.x branch

2012-06-16 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
made to address some bug?) * Keep Soprano as is and use Vishesh's revert? /me is confused, maybe someone knowledgeable on the code details could comment... in the end it probably boils down to How big are the changes in Soprano? Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer

monthly Gentoo KDE team meeting

2012-06-16 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
;f=Documentation/maintainers/meetings/meeting-2012-06;hb=HEAD Cheers! Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release

Re: Re: Re: Proposed adjustments to our release cycles

2012-06-18 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
the applications will get frozen in a distribution, because newer applications would need newer libraries * or we get into branching / #IFDEF madness, because older libraries require other codepathis in applications Thoughts? Cheers, Andreas -- Dr. Andreas K. Huettel Institute for Experimental

Re: KDE 4.8.5 planning

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
... having more time to doublecheck occasionally pays off! :) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, sci, arm, tex, printing signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org

Re: Re: KDE 4.8.5 planning

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
*between versions*. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, sci, arm, tex, printing signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: KDE 4.8.5 planning

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
this to the discussion before? Because I have a real life and a real job. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
the removestuff script parts from kde- common/release. Use a file-format that is extensible (JSON, xml, ...). And add possibly more (time will tell) Sounds very good. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
releases, what do you want to enforce in a dependency freeze, ... Cheers... -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
based distro maybe a special case. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
became 4.8 and 4.8 became 4.8.X. 2. Solution: Lock the repo (A no go in my opinion) Yeah, locking kills babies Ack. Not that it affects me, but the KDE developers will probably object to locking, with good reason. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
. I'm sure having a micro release is going to break their scripts that just expect 3 numbers. Breaking the scripts once, with a well-thought-out change, is perfectly fine... -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
they kept silent while it was discussed and designed. INPUT guys. NOW. It probably helps if you cc the packager mailing list. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Release Script

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
separate mail, yes right now we're relying on same version number for all of KDE. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Release Script (KF5)

2012-07-27 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
that it's version number should also not change. Still all can be released again, so you can get everything at once if you need. Then let's please get back to the important point: you will need to specify exactly what fits together. Before the versioning starts to disagree. -- Dr. Andreas K

libkdcraw api compatibility?

2012-11-18 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
is fixed. However... Are there any other known third-party consumers for that? Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Akonadi-Nepomuk Feeder Improvements

2012-12-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
weeks before release, you may as well re-label the 4.10.0 release beta1. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team

Re: Exception for Dolphin - KFileMetadataWidget

2013-01-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
keep dolphin. Intentional or accidental? Only asking so we write the dependencies correctly. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Better testing of tagged tars

2013-02-12 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team

Re: Release Strategy Proposal

2013-04-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
the current release and release numbering process, with the same types of git branches, while just behind the scences declaring more and more parts feature-frozen. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description

Re: Soft feature freeze exception for DrKonqi

2013-05-30 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi Jekyll et al., (cc'ing packagers too) That DrKonqi feature is preventing users creating reports against disabled versions as early as possible in the reporting process. That is a quite necessary change IMO to deal with the usability problem caused by bugzilla's recent nice behavior of

Re: Soft feature freeze exception for DrKonqi

2013-05-30 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2013, 13:06:24 schrieb Martin Graesslin: ... * DrKonqi is too smart, it doesn't recognize the orig report anymore, but only the duplicates. Points taken... then how about, could drkonqui maybe try to walk back the duplicates chain on bugzilla? In any case, this is

Re: Soft feature freeze exception for DrKonqi

2013-05-30 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2013, 14:53:41 schrieb Jekyll Wu: 于 2013年05月30日 18:39, Andreas K. Huettel 写道: The reality is: bugs.kde.org (since upgrading to bugzilla 4.2.5 at least one month ago) has already been rejecting any attempt against disabled versions. It is not DrKonqi that is doing

Re: Review Request 110962: Switch to an external LibRaw

2013-06-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
libraw is definitely a good idea, see also https://secunia.com/advisories/53547/ - Andreas K. Huettel On June 11, 2013, 9:28 p.m., Pino Toscano wrote: --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http

Re: Review Request 110962: Switch to an external LibRaw

2013-07-07 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
4.10.5 (to get rid of the security issue in libraw-0.15.2) and will keep carrying it if in any way feasible (since we have the general policy to unbundle libraries whereever possible). So it'll get a lot of build testing (and run testing too). - Andreas K. Huettel On June 11, 2013, 9:28 p.m

Re: 4.11.0 tarballs available (for packagers)

2013-08-09 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
: MarbleAbstractRunner.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis n icht gefunden Kompilierung beendet. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: 4.11.0 tarballs available (for packagers)

2013-08-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Freitag, 9. August 2013, 13:55:38 schrieb Rex Dieter: On 08/09/2013 05:47 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Donnerstag, 8. August 2013, 01:58:01 schrieb Albert Astals Cid: The tarballs can be found in their usual embargo location (available only to packagers) Marble python bindings

Re: KDE SC 4.11.3 tarballs

2013-11-02 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
is but it smells like a namespace collision... -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list

Re: KDE SC 4.11.3 tarballs

2013-11-03 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
understand what exactly happend, but it's an unpredicted interaction between python and cmake build scripts.) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: KDE SC 4.12.1 tarballs

2014-01-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
... :) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman

Re: Automatic creation of version information on bugs.kde.org

2014-02-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
IMHO the additional work burden is on your side. if you want to fiddle around with the versioning system, you'll have to bear with the bug reports and the information you provided in your applications. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de

Re: Automatic creation of version information on bugs.kde.org

2014-02-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2014, 12:59:12 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel: Open systemsettings, go into menu, About systemsetting. The dialog window displays Version 4.12.0, under KDE 4.12.1 (seems like I havent finished some update, me bad). err, suspicion, could the displayed systemsettings

Re: Re: Review Request 115519: Do not use KDE_VERSION_STRING for workspace applications

2014-02-07 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
, Martin Gräßlin -- Dr. Andreas K. Huettel Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics University of Regensburg D-93040 Regensburg Germany tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile) e-mail andreas.huet...@ur.de http://www.akhuettel.de/ http://www.physik.uni-r.de/forschung/huettel

Re: PIM is not good. Would adding an extra RC help?

2014-04-06 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
backtrace. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman

Re: KDE SC 4.13 tars are available

2014-04-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
^ compilation terminated. make[2]: *** [src/bindings/python/CMakeFiles/python_module_PyKDE4_marble.dir/sip/sipmarblepart3.o] Error 1 -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Fwd: KDE Frameworks Release Cycle

2014-04-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
each release will contain a few new features and bugfixes; Practically this just means that what used to be the stable branch now becomes the distribution patch collection. (how about having some branch namespace on the kde git repositories for distro packaging teams? :) -- Andreas K

Re: Re: Fwd: KDE Frameworks Release Cycle

2014-04-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
El Dimarts, 29 d'abril de 2014, a les 15:04:59, Andreas K. Huettel va escriure: Practically this just means that what used to be the stable branch now becomes the distribution patch collection. No, it means that you use the next release as you would do now since it will have the bug you

Re: [kde-promo] The name of Applications 4.14 + 1 - how about splitting into 4-part and 5-part

2014-07-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
additional numbering scheme. (Yes I realize it may involve work.) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman

Re: [kde-promo] The name of Applications 4.14 + 1 - how about splitting into 4-part and 5-part

2014-07-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team

Re: [kde-promo] The name of Applications 4.14 + 1 - how about splitting into 4-part and 5-part

2014-07-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
? was called kmail-4.12.3 (or maybe kmail2-4.12.3) The version number in bugzilla? 4.12.3 ... Someone ask you which kmail version do you use and you reply (imprecisely) kmail2, or 4.12.3, or the one from 4.12.3. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org

Re: DrKonqi backtrace generation broken with gdb 7.8

2014-10-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
code because someone else introduced a regression. Opinions? A change/backport/patch/update in a core system package is always harder to push through on distro level than a corresponding change in a desktop environment application. Please don't rely on the gdb backport. -- Andreas K