RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-12 Thread David Griffiths
I agree with Marc Stern: Stevens' religion clause opinions can best be explained in terms of equality (see also footnote 3 in Stevens' concurrence in the 1982 Lee case). As an aside, I suspect Stevens' atheist art gallery comparison in Boerne was inspired by the then recent 1994 article by prof

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Ira Lupu
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Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
Berry -Original Message- From: ste...@ajc.org Sender: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:44:23 To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Reply-To: ste...@ajc.org, Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle In Boerne

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ira Lupu Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:15:14 To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Volokh, Eugene; hamilto...@aol.com Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle If Marci is correct about the scope of the Boerne decision, i

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
Koppelman" Sender: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:11:10 To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Reply-To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I agree with what's been written, but I'm t

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
olokh, Eugene" Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:55:25 To: hamilto...@aol.com; Law & Religion issues for LawAcademics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I don't see the Court's analysis as resting on the view that the statute violated separation of powers, as opposed to

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread sternm
Marc C Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Andrew Koppelman" Sender: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:11:10 To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Reply-To: Law & Religion issues for Law Acade

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Ira Lupu
Eugene > > > -Original Message- > > From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw- > > boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of hamilto...@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 3:50 PM > > To: Law & Religion issues for Law Acad

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Andrew Koppelman
, 2011 5:12 PM To: hamilto...@aol.com; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I'm with Dan on the supposed separation of powers question; as I read the opinion, the Court simply holds that Congress lacks the enumerated power to impose its

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle > > We briefed the separation of powers argument as a stand-alone argument. > The Court adopted much of our reasoning other than the Establishment > Clause. If one re-reads the decis

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
ad more broadly. Dan Conkle -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:48 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:55 PM > To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle > > The separation of powers defects are well-covered in the majority opinion as > well. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
Law Academics Reply-To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I'm puzzled by the statement that "RFRA was not ... held unconstitutional solely on federalism grounds" -- as I understand the majority opinion, it cited only the f

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:48 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle I'm puzzled by the statement that "RFRA wa

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
day, April 11, 2011 1:31 PM > To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle > > RFRA was not challenged nor held unconstitutional solely on federalism > grounds. That is the post hoc explanation of its proponents. > But you are correct th

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread hamilton02
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RE: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Brownstein, Alan
.@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:29 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle Note JPS's examples -- a museum and an art gallery. His objection might be styled as an EC concern, but I think what's

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
u] On Behalf Of David Griffiths Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:51 PM To: religionlaw list Subject: RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle Isn't part of the explanation for Stevens' apparently conflicting stances in Boerne and O Centro that: in the former case, the govt was tryin

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread David Griffiths
Isn't part of the explanation for Stevens' apparently conflicting stances in Boerne and O Centro that: in the former case, the govt was trying to attack the constitutionality of RFRA as applied to the states, whereas in the latter the govt party chose not to attack the constitutionality of RFRA

Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Jamar
Oh, there you go again, Marci, talking about a case as if it were something real! :) My comment was not to what was really going on, and what was at stake, but what was decided and what became the official version from the S.Ct. Of course this is nothing new -- the actual reasons for deciding a c

Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Douglas Laycock
One, I think he clearly hadn't thought it through in Boerne. A museum or art gallery owned by the Catholic Church would not have been protected by RFRA either. A weekly meeting place for the local society of atheists should be protected, although that would likely be a hard sell to many judges.

Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Hamilton02
Actually, the Establishment Clause arguments were live in Boerne. We briefed them and several of the Justices expressed concerns at oral argument. What happened is that now-Judge Jeff Sutton, arguing for the state of Ohio, urged the Justices not to reach the Establishment Clause issue on

Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Jamar
Boerne is not an establishment case. Nor is it an equal protection case. It is a federalism case protecting state power from federal interference under section 5 of the 14th amendment -- congress must make findings that the state is engaging in serious misbehavior (I know -- too loose a word choic

Re: A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Note JPS's examples -- a museum and an art gallery. His objection might be styled as an EC concern, but I think what's doing most of the work is actually the speech and assembly clauses of the First Amendment. He's suggesting what is implied in, e.g., Heffron and the opinions in Texas Monthly --

A John Paul Stevens puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Andrew Koppelman
In Boerne v. Flores, Justice Stevens declared that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was unconstitutional as applied to the states because it violated the establishment clause. "If the historic landmark on the hill in Boerne happened to be a museum or an art gallery owned by an atheist, it wou