Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument - the comb

2014-10-08 Thread Failinger, Marie
and detect contraband, though as > the transcript reflects, with different language that i'm not looking at > right now. > > best, > > Mark Sabel > > -Original Message- > From: Douglas Laycock > Sent: Oct 8, 2014 8:08 AM > To: 'Law & Religion issu

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument - the comb

2014-10-08 Thread mksabel
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Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-08 Thread Steven Jamar
On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Douglas Laycock wrote: > And of course a fair number of questions about how to reconcile deference > with compelling interest and least restrictive means. That is a genuine > puzzle. I’m shocked that anyone could have trouble with this after Kennedy cleared it al

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-08 Thread Douglas Laycock
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of matt steffey Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:42 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument chris, i hope you're well. damn technology

Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread matt steffey
le-32.3-Request.pdf > > > -Original Message- > From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu > [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Lund > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:16 PM > To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' >

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Christopher Lund
: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument For those who don't know what Doug means by "caught them red-handed" (or what Marc means by "playing fast and loose in this case"), the relevant material can be found in

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Christopher Lund
2014 10:57 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; Marc Stern Subject: Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument What Marc says is clearly true. But even in this case, when we caught them red handed, I didn't feel like I could say to the Court that they lie routinely. Judges have either fig

Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Douglas Laycock
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:03 PM >To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics >Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics >Subject: RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument > > >I think this case on its facts is likely to be easy for the Court because so >many other st

Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Arthur Spitzer
how long > ‎Is too long. > Marc‎ Stern > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE > network. >*From: *Friedman, Howard M. > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:03 PM > *To: *Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > *Reply To: *Law & R

Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Marc Stern
ong. Marc‎ Stern Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. From: Friedman, Howard M. Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:03 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argum

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Friedman, Howard M.
...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Failinger, Marie [mfailin...@hamline.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:38 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument I haven't read all of the background materials, but it se

Re: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Failinger, Marie
I haven't read all of the background materials, but it seems to me a little bizarre to worry about what one could hide in a 1/4, 1/2 or even 3 inch beard given what one could hide in a typical prison uniform. If uniforms are searched for contraband, why not beards? Seems like it would be much eas

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
e.blogs.com From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:59 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Hol

Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The oral argument transcript is up, http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/13-6827_8758.pdf. I haven't read it yet, but from the SCOTUS Blog report, it looks like things went poorly for the state. http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/10/argument-report-trouble-at-the-lecter