Eric J Segall
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special
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When I worked for DOJ in the late 80's and litigated a major Chapter (now I
think Title) 2 fundi
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Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special
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So is it correct to conclude that the struggle over LGBT rights explains 100%
of any change in public attitudes -- left and right-- about fu
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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:47:32 PM
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That’s all true, but the deal used to be no funding and lots of ch
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Yes, but nei
Of Marty Lederman
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:36 AM
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Yes, but neither before, nor during, nor after, that
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Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:36 AM
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Yes, but neither before, nor during, nor after, that 14-year window (
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Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special
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Yes, but neither before, nor during, nor after, that 14-year window (1971-1985)
did the Court ever suggest that direct money payments
mination against religious groups. When a nonoriginalist
>> reading of the Establishment Clause puts the underlying originalist
>> principles out of balance, there may be a justification for restoring the
>> balance to honor originalist principles at a fairly high level of
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Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:09 AM
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> I have been struck this w
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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 4:52 PM
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I have been st
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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 2:51:11 PM
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Are we in
should indeed have such confidence.
Eugene
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to be manipulated gamesmanship, support for religious liberty is
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experience.
Alan
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:47:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Ch
Thank you. It is helpful and yet I see an ultimate collision between the
dischordant rights to both be free from discrimination and also to
discriminate.
I suppose what I'm looking for is what happens when a church is able to get
funding from the state for a project but then relies on free exercis
I don’t think there’s anything necessarily inconsistent with the two positions
you describe. Religion might be entitled to special treatment in some cases,
but equal treatment in others. (Doesn’t everyone, at some level, believe
that?) Certainly the Court does. The Court has, for example, sa
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