RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-28 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief Let me try to respond to Chip's post. He asks two basic questions. (1) Why should we be any more willing to accommodate religious objectors to same-sex marriage than we are willing to accommodate religious

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-28 Thread Ira Lupu
Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief Let me try to respond to Chip's post. He asks two basic questions. (1) Why should we be any more willing to accommodate religious objectors to same-sex marriage than we are willing to accommodate religious

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-28 Thread Sisk, Gregory C.
Academics Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief Greg Sisk's post re: how to think about the wedding photographer is just the compelled speech argument one more time. In the case of a photographer, a First A claim of compelled speech is plausible, though not entirely persuasive

bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
I think that the politics of the moment, and the conversations we have been having (including the reference to Jim Oleske's provocative article about religious objections to inter-racial marriage compared to religious objections to same sex marriage, *Interracial and Same-Sex Marriages: Similar

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread tznkai
I'm not sure how easily it could be done, but we ought to try on some level to protect the sincere religious beliefs Because attempts to enforce by legal sanctions, acts obnoxious to go great a proportion of Citizens, tend to enervate the laws in general, and to slacken the bands of Society. If

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
vs. sincere religious belief problem before writing any more. This is a delicate question, but it seems to me that it lies at the heart of discussions we have been having. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM, tznkai tzn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how easily it could be done, but we ought

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
) to the bigotry vs. sincere religious belief problem before writing any more. This is a delicate question, but it seems to me that it lies at the heart of discussions we have been having. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM, tznkai tzn...@gmail.commailto:tzn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:15 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief I'm very pleased that my former

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Kahn, Robert A.
I also do not have any answers - especially on the underlying issue. But let me make two points about the bigotry vs. sincere religious belief question. 1) Does it change the argument any if one operates from the assumption that racism, despite our best efforts, continues to be tolerated

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Paul Finkelman
(m) From: tznkai tzn...@gmail.com To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:39 AM Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief I'm not sure how easily it could be done, but we ought

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Marc Stern
University 1 East Campus Drive Baton Rouge, LA 70803-0106225-578-0894225-578-0894 (of)518-605-0296518-605-0296 (m)From: tznkai tzn...@gmail.com To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:39 AM Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Steven Jamar
I get that religious people do not want to be discriminated against. Indeed, they have lots of protections in the laws already protecting them from discrimination in employment, public accomodations, and so on. And they have lots of special treatment in the form of exemptions from laws that

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Sisk, Gregory C.
, 2014 5:11 PM To: Law Religion Law List Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief Importance: Low I get that religious people do not want to be discriminated against. Indeed, they have lots of protections in the laws already protecting them from discrimination in employment, public

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
entirely sincere, religious tenets. sandy From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Kahn, Robert A. Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:30 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief I

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
, 2014 5:11 PM *To:* Law Religion Law List *Subject:* Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief *Importance:* Low I get that religious people do not want to be discriminated against. Indeed, they have lots of protections in the laws already protecting them from discrimination in employment

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Greg Lipper
-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Jamar Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:11 PM To: Law Religion Law List Subject: Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread James Oleske
As Chip notes, there are profound difficulties in trying to use law as a instrument to sort the sincere objectors from the bigots and phobes. And until recently, our consistent approach to antidiscrimination laws and religious accommodations implicitly recognized what Chip ultimately concludes

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread tznkai
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Steven Jamar *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:11 PM *To:* Law Religion Law List *Subject:* Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief *Importance:* Low I get that religious people do not want to be discriminated against

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:45 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: bigotry and sincere religious belief I think that the politics of the moment, and the conversations we have been having (including the reference to Jim Oleske's provocative article