Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread RJLipkin
An interesting piece in today's NY Times. _http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/europe/19shariah.html_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/europe/19shariah.html) ? Bobby Robert Justin Lipkin Distinguished Professor of Law Widener University School of Law Delaware Ratio Juris ,

Re: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread JOHN LOFTON
Can religious secular courts exist in the same nation? Excellent question the answer to which is: Matthew 6:24 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Re: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread Vance R. Koven
We've discussed this a bit on the list before, but I don't see why in principle religious courts should not be treated pretty much as commercial arbitration is: as a consensual alternative to the state legal system (with enforcement permissible through the national courts where required). In all

Re: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread Steven Jamar
some things are out of bounds -- divorce for example -- but it seems short of that, most things could be handled as analogous to arbitration, mediation, or negotiated settlement, i.e., contractual. -- Prof. Steven Jamar Howard University School of Law Associate Director, Institute of

RE: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread David E. Guinn
With respect to the discriminatory sex based issue raised by Eugene, I am curious as to how we can judge discrimination as applied to Shari'a. For example, everyone complains about the Islamic standard that women receive one half of what their male siblings receive under inheritance. What is

RE: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread Douglas Laycock
This argument that voluntary submission to religious courts is like voluntary submission to arbitration has a lot of force. And it can be carried a step further: arguably it discrimiantes against religion if agreements to secular arbitration are enforceable and agreements to religious

Re: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread Paul Diamond
The issue of Shar'ia courts in the United Kingdom is, of course, primarily a political question. The 'headlines' are no more than the common use of arbitration (Arbitration Act 1996) for dispute resolution. In the United Kingdom, as noted, there is only so far that one can go to 'surrender'

FW: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread David E. Guinn
The European Court, in claiming incompatibility with the rule of law (an extraordinarily amorphous term), is, of course, ignoring the example of Israel, India and Indonesia who all allow the coexistence of multiple jurisdictions. Are they all examples of rule of law-less domains?

RE: Can religious and secular courts exist in the same nation?

2008-11-19 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Doug's comments are helpful and thoughtful, as always. Two brief follow-ups: (1) Secular arbitration is allowed to enforce the law of another land, for instance if the arbitration agreement provides for arbitration under the law of some foreign country. It's hard to see why an

RE: Enforcing contracts to submit to religious authority

2008-11-19 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Maybe this is so, but I'm not quite sure. Consider the following: Say that an actor agrees to star in a movie two years hence. He then undergoes a religious conversion, and concludes that participating in the movie would be against God's will, perhaps because the movie involves too much sex,