Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Mike Morris
In circular polarization you will find that half the power goes into the vertical polarization and half goes into the horizontal, thereby having a gain of -3db (for one element). CP is why you rarely, but rarely have any hot spots or hear any mobile flutter on the FM broadcast band. You

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Chuck Kelsey
If we were talking about 6-meters, I'd agree on the 6-dB disadvantage in the mobile environment. I've never seen anything like that on UHF. I don't buy into this argument yet ;-) Chuck WB2EDV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, with a good preamp at a quiet site, usable sensitivity on a UHF

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Mike Morris wrote: More details at http://wa6tdd.tripod.com and it's really worth reading. And wait for the photos to load - they are worth it as well (just for the photo of WA6ITF 40 years ago). The Jampro story is just under his picture. That was an astounding

[Repeater-Builder] dB224 4 bay 220 MHz Antenna on VERY LARGE TOWER face

2006-02-11 Thread Roger White
Monday, I am having this antenna put up on a triangular tower, whose face is greater than 20 ft. across where the antenna is going on one leg. I know from years of operationon this tower (or any tower that is this large), the antenna patternwill have manynulls around the tower. Does

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power - CP

2006-02-11 Thread N8BQN
Wow~ solid, broadband, heated... the stuff dreams are made of g Yeah, I'm jealous. ~/ N8BQN /~ Mike Morris wrote: In this particular case the antenna was .. rebuilt to 146Mhz by Jampro as a favor to 'OQK (who is a professional broadcast engineer). serious snipage Yahoo! Groups

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF Micor Channel elements. (Was VHF Micor and RLC-3)

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Custer
Steve Hutzley wrote: I am checking my local contacts for some elements, when I do come across some, and I want to have them re-crystaled, what exactly whould I ask for/tell the manufacturer to do to make sure it is compatible for use in an amatuer FM repeater, besides its for a Micor station, it

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF Micor Channel elements

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Custer
N9WYS wrote: While we're on this subject -- can I use an element from a VHF-Lo Micor and have it recrystaled to a UHF freq? No. Unlike GE Mastr II, Motorola Micor elements are different between bands. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Thank-You GE Builders - Icomcs and Reeds

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Custer
Just a public Thank You for your efforts Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I ask in return is for you to donate to the upkeep and availability of the Repeater-Builder site. Honor System Let you conscience be your guide. The Donate

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer weirdness

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
Yes but that sounds sort of risky in that the lowest noise figure of an LNA is not necessarily achieved at optimum match. Agreed, and most are tuned for lowest NF and not necessarily maximum gain nor ideal match. My previous comments relating to LNAs may also apply to the JFET mixers

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
If we were talking about 6-meters, I'd agree on the 6-dB disadvantage in the mobile environment. I've never seen anything like that on UHF. I don't buy into this argument yet ;-) Chuck WB2EDV OK, if you don't like the mobile noise environment model, let's just look at raw sensitivity

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Mike Morris wrote: More details at http://wa6tdd.tripod.com and it's really worth reading. And wait for the photos to load - they are worth it as well (just for the photo of WA6ITF 40 years ago). The Jampro story is just under his picture. That was an

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Mike WA6ILQ

2006-02-11 Thread sgreact47
I seem that it is very diffacult to keep track of Lightning (AKA Mike M). But Lightning seems to strike once in a while!!! Will from the hill, OK back to fixing Spectras... Ronny Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another one heard from. Will the bashings ever cease? - Original Message

RE: [Repeater-Builder] dB224 4 bay 220 MHz Antenna on VERY LARGE TOWER face

2006-02-11 Thread JamesMNelson
Rodger, I have a DB-228 that is mounted in the center of the Northwest face. The faces are 8 across if memory serves me correctly. We are at 635 Center of Radiation and only running 12.5 watts in to the cavities but we are getting 45 50 mile radius coverage from the repeater. I have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dB224 4 bay 220 MHz Antenna on VERY LARGE TOWER face

2006-02-11 Thread Roger White
The existing mount exact size I do not know, but it is at least 3feet off the leg (and offset to make the antenna vertical, since the tower (450 ft. self supporting)slopes slightly). I have had a Sinclair co-linear(6 dB) up at this height a number of years ago and it seemed to have a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Jeff DePolo wrote: If we were talking about 6-meters, I'd agree on the 6-dB disadvantage in the mobile environment. I've never seen anything like that on UHF. I don't buy into this argument yet ;-) Chuck WB2EDV OK, if you don't like the mobile noise environment model, let's just look

[Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread Tedd Doda
Hi Guys: I just came across a neat little heatsink that is fan forced from one end. It was originally used in an RCA model RT2380BK surround sound amplifier, which had an output of about 200 watts. It turns out that this amplifier has a very common problem with the LSI (large scale integration)

[Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread tony dinkel
More details at http://wa6tdd.tripod.com and it's really worth reading. And wait for the photos to load - they are worth it as well (just for the photo of WA6ITF 40 years ago). The Jampro story is just under his picture. I think he would have been WA2HVK at that time. Although his 6 land call

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread mch
But, any 3 dB TX ERP loss is accompanied by a 3 dB RX loss as well. As I said before, any antenna gains or feedline losses cancel out when it comes to TX vs RX ability. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Duplexer Replacement Capacitor

2006-02-11 Thread Bill Ockert
Good Afternoon, I have a Sinclair Model 202G duplexer in which one of the insertion loops has a bad (cracked) piston capacitor. Has anyone had occasion to replace one of these and if so what did you replace it with? I can measure the size of the one that is there but without knowing the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Custer
Jeff DePolo wrote: Would you not agree that a good UHF repeater receiver with a GaAsFET ahead of it will have better sensitivity than a typical mobile radio? If so, by what amount? Chuck Kelsey wrote: No. A "typical" UHF ham rig will have better sensitivity than most

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread N9WYS
For what its worth - and since this thread started because of my mention of the 150W transmitter I should note that the RX sensitivity on the Kenwood that I am currently running IS about .25uv However, when I get the remote RX site(s) operating, Ill be using Micor (AKA: SpectraTAC)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
No. A typical UHF ham rig will have better sensitivity than most repeaters with a preamp. A commercial mobile (without preamp) will have sensitivity slightly worse than the repeater with the preamp. 99% of hams will be using a ham rig, not a commercial one. OK, tell you what. It's

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread no6b
At 2/10/2006 21:54, you wrote: At 03:48 AM 2/10/06, you wrote: Maybe Jeff or someone could explain the math here. I find it difficult to believe one needs to run 200 watts for reciprocal coverage to a typical mobile. And that's ignoring where I live, you'll never get frequency coordination

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Chuck Kelsey
And that's my whole point. Chuck WB2EDV Jeff DePolo WN3A wrote: I'd be interested in someone actually trying this with a UHF system that is running 200+ watts. Drop it to 100 watts without telling anyone. Leave it there for a week or two and see if anyone notices. Chances are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread albemarle7
In a message dated 2/11/2006 3:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.ve3tjd.com/pictures/tech%20stuff/ What a perfect heatsink for that variable power supply load that was bouncing around on R-B about a year or two ago. You could vary the Amp Load on your

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Sure they would. There was a long time ham (now SK) who would not run anything less than 100 watts from his mobile. Didn't matter what band -- had to be at least 100 watts or he wasn't happy. I've seen the same thing in public safety service. For years you couldn't get the local fire

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread Brett
Hi guys does anyone have that circuit diagram I need to build one to test 12 to 60 volt supply. Thanks in advance. Brett - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Brett
Here in OZ we only run 25 watts for mobile and 50 for bases / repeaters. Cheers Brett - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power Sure they would.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread albemarle7
Re variable power supply load. Info should be in archives section. I do have a hand drawn schematic somewhere in one of mypaper piles. Will take a look. Maybe someone can direct Brett to a better source for the schematic. Gary K2UQ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller question

2006-02-11 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator wrote: Chris, I think some of the responses about echolink to IRLP are correct. IRLP is much more restrictive with their web police terminating connections if the subject matter such as politics and religion are discussed. Maybe one or two owners might act

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Duplexer Replacement Capacitor

2006-02-11 Thread Burt Lang
It is a Johanson model 5602 1-30pF. They are not easy to find and expect to pay 10-15$ for one. At times when I needed a replacement, I modified the disk to take 3 Johanson 5202 1-10pF trimmers in parallel which are much easier to find cheap. They may even be higher Q than the single unit

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller question

2006-02-11 Thread Nate Duehr
Ken Arck wrote: At 09:30 AM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote: I thought one ran on Linux and one on Windows? Would you have to use two computers? ---There are a couple of ways to do this on one computer. One way would be to run WINE. Another is to run something called EchoIRLP:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
OK, here are the results of my quick bench measurements for whatever it's worth. All receivers were on the same frequency (448.800 MHz). Signal source was a Fluke/Philips 6060A sig gen locked to a rubidium reference oscillator, modulated by 1 kHz AF at +/- 3 kHz peak deviation. The output of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
And mine too. Just because the unwashed masses don't notice it doesn't make it right, better, worse, or otherwise. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:46 PM To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller question

2006-02-11 Thread Nate Duehr
Bob Dengler wrote: Where was their web police last FD when we had a simplex IRLP node with a broken RX connected to a reflector TXing all day on 223.50 the reflector admin refused to disconnect it? Quite a mess that was. Who did you contact Bob? I never saw an e-mail to any of the usual

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Builders - Icomcs and Reeds

2006-02-11 Thread dalite01
It is yours. Please send the mailing address to my email address; either the one in the header or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Icoms and the 103.5 reed are spoken for. The 123.0 reed is still available. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Alright, I believe your numbers. A repeater receiver with a high-end preamp vs. a ham grade mobile receiver averages just under 6 dB better. I still contend that in a mobile environment, under motion, that the user will not detect the 6 dB difference. It will be barely distinguishable most of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 01:15 PM 2/11/06, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, any 3 dB TX ERP loss is accompanied by a 3 dB RX loss as well. As I said before, any antenna gains or feedline losses cancel out when it comes to TX vs RX ability. Joe M. I agree, if it's a single duplexed antenna and feedline. But in this

[Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Laryn Lohman
I guess I'll modify the challenge. Drop the 200 watt transmitter by 6 dB and see if it gets noticed. Bench tests are a good yardstick. Real world applications can be different. Chuck WB2EDV We could all probably save a lot of money by using RG142 or RG214 going up the tower. Why does

RE: [Repeater-Builder] dB224 4 bay 220 MHz Antenna on VERY LARGE TOWER face

2006-02-11 Thread kf0m
I can't speak to 220 Mhz but can provide info on the history of our club 2 meter repeater at 1200 ft on a triangle TV station tower. single DB224 on one leg about 2-3' out. mounted straight out form the point of the leg. Worked great 60-70 miles out where you could see the antenna but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread John J. Riddell
Brett, I have a copy of a commercial "Load Bank" which is nothing more than a bunch of large resistors in a case controlled by switches. I'll dig it out and scan it for you These people get $3,000.00 for this package ! I have the stuff to build one and have about $75.00 invested so

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Power

2006-02-11 Thread Mike Morris
At 09:13 PM 2/11/06, Laryn K8TVZ wrote: I guess I'll modify the challenge. Drop the 200 watt transmitter by 6 dB and see if it gets noticed. Bench tests are a good yardstick. Real world applications can be different. Chuck WB2EDV We could all probably save a lot of money by using

[Repeater-Builder] Andrew connector on Eupon cable

2006-02-11 Thread Jeff Corkren
Does anyone know ifaAndrew 7/8 inchconnector (type L5PNF) will fitReopen 7/8 inch heliax cable ? Thanks in advance for your reply. Jeff Corkren/W5PPB Raymond, Mississippi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap Tunnel Heatsink

2006-02-11 Thread Mike Morris
Years ago I saw a homebrew version of that: Twenty tungsten auto headlights in a metal box, with a switch for each bulb, and a couple of heater blowers. Bulbs were 50 cents at the auto junkyard, as were the headlight switches. They were wired so that the parking light position (half-way