[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-02-01 Thread skipp025
There can be good reasons for including a window filter with a duplexer. Reduction of high powered signals, which are IF Images would be one such appplication. Sometimes a plain jane duplexer just isn't enough. Sometimes a duplexer doesn't provide a DC return to ground, which is nice to

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-31 Thread corvette94541
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater This question has initiated an interesting exchange of ideas. Many good suggestions have been provided. The fact that the desensitization exists when operating duplex on either of two antennas, or when using split

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-31 Thread Gary Schafer
-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Sharp, KQ4KX Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:06 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater Yeah, of course you'd want to order any filter optimized

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-01-31 Thread skipp025
I can't imagine why you would want to put a window filter between your duplexer and antenna line. There is much more to be gained by putting separate band pass filters on the tx and rx ports. There can be good reasons for including a window filter with a duplexer. Reduction of high

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-01-31 Thread Gary Schafer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 (window filter cannon fodder) I can't imagine why you would want to put a window filter between your duplexer and antenna line. There is much more to be gained by putting separate band pass filters on the tx and rx ports. There can be good

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-01-31 Thread Daron Wilson
I can't imagine why you would want to put a window filter between your duplexer and antenna line. There is much more to be gained by putting separate band pass filters on the tx and rx ports. There can be good reasons for including a window filter with a duplexer. Reduction of high

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-01-31 Thread Gary Schafer
_ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daron Wilson Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder) I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder)

2008-01-31 Thread Gary Schafer
] On Behalf Of Daron Wilson Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater (window filter cannon fodder) I can't imagine why you would want to put a window filter between your duplexer and antenna

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-30 Thread Richard Sharp, KQ4KX
Yeah, of course you'd want to order any filter optimized for your application. Yes, DCI markets products for the Amateur market but they also have a lot of products for commercial markets. I have indeed used some of their products (HAM commercial) and have had very good results. Hi-Q bandpass

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-29 Thread Nate Duehr
nj902 wrote: The industry is beginning to develop practices to deal with PIM. Andrew has published some information regarding PIM in transmission lines as has Amphenol with respect to PIM in connectors. See also Intermodulation in Coaxial Connectors, RF Design, September 1996. Doesn't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-29 Thread Nate Duehr
Richard Sharp, KQ4KX wrote: which will reduce and/or eliminate any IMD issues from those sources. DCI is one manufacturer of window filters for HAM bands (www.dci.ca http://www.dci.ca). Careful. I've looked over their product line and their stock filters have published SWR numbers that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-29 Thread no6b
At 1/29/2008 14:43, you wrote: nj902 wrote: The industry is beginning to develop practices to deal with PIM. Andrew has published some information regarding PIM in transmission lines as has Amphenol with respect to PIM in connectors. See also Intermodulation in Coaxial Connectors, RF

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-26 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you may have overlooked the fact that desense was observed even when a dummy load was connected directly to the output of the duplexer. That pretty much eliminates anything external to the repeater itself,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread nj902
This question has initiated an interesting exchange of ideas. Many good suggestions have been provided. The fact that the desensitization exists when operating duplex on either of two antennas, or when using split antennas, combined with the results of the other tests [minimal desensitization

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater This question has initiated an interesting exchange of ideas. Many good suggestions

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Richard Sharp, KQ4KX
One issue may very well be the insufficient isolation considering the TX power level. If you really want to run that much power I'd highly recommend having bandpass filter(s) between the PA and the duplexer - this will help reduce broadband noise from the PA. Bandpass filter(s) between the