Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-08 Thread Larry Horlick
@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? And what is the problem with RG-142? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:24 PM, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.netnknapp%40twowayradio.net

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-08 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Larry Horlick wrote: So in a duplex application, if the supply of the better cable is limited, it's better to use it on the rx side? I think other folks have said this as well, but the answer is... if the supply of the right kind of cable to do the job is

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread rffun
LMR and similar cables are not rated for low PIM What exactly do you mean by PIM ? rffun --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Larry Horlick llhorl...@... wrote: Indeed. I'll read the archives. Thanks. 73 On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@... wrote: The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Bill Smith
Passive Intermodulation. Things like rusty hardware or disimilar metals can cause it in the presence of RF. From: rffun radio...@her.forthnet.gr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 2:33:33 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Passive Intermod. In other words, it tends to be a source in which intermod can be generated easily. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: rffun radio...@her.forthnet.gr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
.  trouble when used duplex.   Dan k8plw --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 4:56 PM   Passive Intermod. In other words

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 4:56 PM Passive Intermod. In other words, it tends to be a source in which intermod can be generated easily. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: rffun radio...@her

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread NORM KNAPP
- Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun Mar 07 16:54:30 2010 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable Any problems with RG-214 or RG223 for duplexers/multi

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun Mar 07 16:54:30 2010 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable Any problems with RG-214 or RG223

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
Horlick llhorl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 5:54 PM   Any problems with RG-214 or RG223 for duplexers/multi- couplers/ combiners? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Dan Saputo dan17...@yahoo. com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
- From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun Mar 07 16:54:30 2010 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable Any problems with RG-214 or RG223 for duplexers/multi

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
not had this problem but it is a documented issue. Dan k8plw --- On *Sun, 3/7/10, Larry Horlick llhorl...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Larry Horlick llhorl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:24 PM What

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
llhorl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Larry Horlick llhorl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:46 PM   So in a duplex application, if the supply of the better cable is limited, it's better to use

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
] On Behalf Of Larry Horlick Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:55 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable Any problems with RG-214 or RG223 for duplexers/multi-couplers/combiners? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Dan Saputo dan17...@yahoo.com mailto:dan17

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread hfarrenkopf
: From: Larry Horlick llhorl...@... Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:24 PM What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? And what is the problem with RG-142? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:24

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I believe that the real problem is that the center conductor is solid. A slight nick in it will eventually cause it to break due to cable flexing fatigue at the weak point. RG-400 is often used instead and has a stranded center conductor. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - Spec

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? There are some non-mil-spec RG214 varients out there. Sometimes they are labeled as RG214 TYPE, or RG214 Commercial. These typically have double braid like real RG214, but unlike real RG214, the braids are bare copper instead of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread hfarrenkopf
The cables in duplexers are not under movement so the nick would not be the issue there. The nick does expose the steel which is a ferro-magnetic material that will cause intermodulation to occur at a much higher level. Plus, the insertion loss will increase at that point and if there is a lot

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
of this Group. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:05 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable Nope

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread JG
OK Guys My two dollar question is: How to determine whether the braids are silver or tin coated, without taking into consideration the brand/name on the sheath, or have I missed the fine print in this discussion? :) 73 John/VK4JKL

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable

2007-05-24 Thread Laryn Lohman
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops. Should have said no movement and I should have changed the subject line. Chuck And I wonder how many of these no movement scenarios actually suffer from slowly decreasing sensitivity in their

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable

2007-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
-Builder] Re: LMR cable --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops. Should have said no movement and I should have changed the subject line. Chuck And I wonder how many of these no movement scenarios actually suffer from slowly decreasing

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable

2007-05-24 Thread skipp025
Hi Laryn, Another war story also told over here some time back. One UHF box we have in service went numb after about 3 months. Checked everything out to spec... even the feedline looked good on fwd and reflected power. After a lot of head scratching... We replaced the 4 month old LMR-400

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable Q:

2007-01-29 Thread nj902
Andrew has a technical paper that compares Heliax to braid-foil cables at: http://www.andrew.com/search/BN_SP30-27.aspx -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, radiomog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk of LMR cable

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable Q:

2007-01-29 Thread Joe
Motorola also put out a white paper on braid-over-foil cable and pointed out it's problems in a duplexed system. They did not specifically name LMR cable, but it was obvious that they were talking about it and others. Joe At 10:48 PM 1/29/2007 +, you wrote: Andrew has a technical

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR cable Q:

2007-01-29 Thread Gary
ok, what's the paper called? Is it posted on MOL? If so, what folder is it in? Gary Joe wrote: Motorola also put out a white paper on braid-over-foil cable and pointed out it's problems in a duplexed system. They did not specifically name LMR cable, but it was obvious that they were talking