RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-14 Thread Gary Schafer
> -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:21 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shor

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
> -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:22 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Paul Plack
> Paul, > > Curious who makes the RG-8M you have. Jeff, the cable is Tandy. In the '80's, the Tandy Wire & Cable RG-8M was much better than their own full-sized RG-8, and they'd sell you 20' off the roll at the store. I used it in many mobile installations when there wasn't time to mail-order s

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Bob M.
Jeff: please sweep the other stubs you mentioned, so we have something for comparison. Might as well do all the varieties possible, and tabulate the results at both 900 and the FM band. Considering how easy it is to make such traps, perhaps a short article could come out of it? You could add it to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
> My coax is RG-8M, similar to RG-8X. I couldn't find a > published velocity factor for M, but thought I remembered > .87. RG-8X is .84 (not .66). I cut a piece off an old scrap > cable (with connector) to 41 inches, measured from the tip of > the PL-259's center pin to the cut point, as a st

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Paul Plack
Guys, I appreciate the thoughtful responses. I've been taught the same stuff about impredance transformation vs. electrical length, but I've also seen these traps work. Gary wrote: "This measurement that you made indicates that the cable is a quarter wave (not ½ wave) at 146.15 if indeed you do

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
> One of the initial proposals > was an open, 1/4-wave stub tuned for the FM broadcast > frequency, fed on a coaxial T-connector. This is, indeed, a > common method to "trap" a particular frequency. > > I set forth that this wouldn't work, as the desired pass > frequency was too near the 9th h

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Jim Brown
Paul, I think where the problem with your measurements comes up is that your 41 inches of RG-8 is close to 3/4 wave at 2 meters, not 1/2 wave. Taking a rough estimate of 19 inches for a quarter wave on 2 meters (the approximate length of your quarter wave ground plane vertical element) you woul

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-13 Thread Gary Schafer
will see the short though. 73 Gary K4FMX _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:57 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

[Repeater-Builder] Revisiting Shorted 1/2-wave Traps

2008-01-12 Thread Paul Plack
I'm posting this with all due respect to those who disagreed with an earlier post, and in the hopes of discovering any error I might be perpetuating. A few weeks ago, a member of the group was asking for help with interference on the input of a 900-MHz ham repeater from a co-located FM broadcast