Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-21 Thread terry dalpoas
and Jeff are giving me on this. Terry KM5UQ From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:52:35 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Terry, In lieu of the ideal bench equipment, yes

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-21 Thread Paul Plack
: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers The most obvious problem when using a handheld radio is that the antenna connection on a handheld is very seldom optimized at 50 ohms...a VNA has precise 50 ohm matches on all ports... .

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of terry dalpoas Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Eric, The repeater is 70cm

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread terry dalpoas
: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:16:59 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers You should be tuning the bandpass for maximum return loss, not least insertion loss. I've found that older Wacom duplexers develop

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of terry dalpoas Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Eric, The repeater is 70cm amateur (444.625 TX

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread terry dalpoas
From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:25:03 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Terry, I understand and appreciate the fact that you are forced to employ a makeshift procedure

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
:02 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Jeff, Best I can tell the connecting harness is good. I may try the set meant for the link radio and see what they do. How do I tune for maximum return loss? If it is better, you can

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of terry dalpoas Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:41 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Eric, I did find my old

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-20 Thread no6b
At 9/20/2009 09:41, you wrote: Eric, I did find my old Icom IC-2710 dual band mobile last night. Would that be okay to use instead of the HT? I suggest putting an isolator between the mobile radio duplexer (or wattmeter, if you're measuring return loss). That will make your mobile

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-19 Thread terry dalpoas
Just about finished with the Mastr II UHF repeater. I've run into a problem with the duplexers. They are a set of WACOM BpBr Model WP678. I am putting 48W into them, but only 18.5W out. I believe this should be better. RX will open squelch at around .2-.3 uV through the cans (this I know

RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-19 Thread Eric Lemmon
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Just about finished with the Mastr II UHF repeater. I've run into a problem with the duplexers. They are a set of WACOM BpBr Model WP678. I am putting 48W into them, but only 18.5W out. I believe this should be better. RX will open

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers

2009-09-19 Thread terry dalpoas
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:30:57 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Duplexers Terry, Is your repeater in the 70cm Amateur band? If so, and your WP-678 duplexer was not originally tuned for that band, that may be where the problem lies. I have a Remec-Wacom WP-678

[Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread aceblaggard
Hi all, We are currently applying for a 7.6Mhz split UHF repeater here which means we will be able to do away with the old and lossy large cavity filters for our old 1.6Mhz split repeater and use a commercial unit. We've already tried a loaned Procom duplexer and the results are most promising

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread Jed Barton
Hey there, you pay a little more for them, but the angle liniar preamps are awesome. They come with a filter. Like i said, you pay about twice the price of an ARR, but overall, it is a much much better pre amp. So many people just hook up a preamp. What good is it if you're getting all

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread DCFluX
Remeber, there is a big difference between the 4 cavity mobile duplexer and the 6 cavity set. I have obtained 95-100dB of notch with this type of duplexer with a 5 MHz split, but that was the 6 cavity type. The 4 cavity is not worth the powder to blow it to hell. The safe amount of power is 25

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread Ken Arck
At 01:34 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: We are currently applying for a 7.6Mhz split UHF repeater here which means we will be able to do away with the old and lossy large cavity filters for our old 1.6Mhz split repeater and use a commercial unit. We've already tried a loaned Procom duplexer and the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread no6b
At 12/26/2007 10:00, you wrote: Remeber, there is a big difference between the 4 cavity mobile duplexer and the 6 cavity set. I have obtained 95-100dB of notch with this type of duplexer with a 5 MHz split, but that was the 6 cavity type. The 4 cavity is not worth the powder to blow it to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread DCFluX
I'm sorry, I meant to say when used as a duplexer, The 4 cavity model is not worth the powder to blow it to hell. I should also point out that the auction in question shows the sawed off model and not the full 1/4 wave length version. A proper mobile duplexer should have cavities 6 to 7 long. I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread Nate Duehr
On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:31 PM, DCFluX wrote: Here in Portland, Oregon we have group that has about 4-5 two meter repeaters all linked together. They seem to think they need that many repeaters just to cover the metro area. Their repeaters usually have TERRIBLE sounding audio and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Hi Nate- You are correct, you don't know the situation. There are plenty of systems that provide good metro coverage with 1 or maybe 2 repeaters here in Portland. Simply put, these people don't play nice. They often make their gain by character assination, and have a lengthy record seen by

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF duplexers and preamps

2007-12-26 Thread Nate Duehr
On Dec 26, 2007, at 5:39 PM, JOHN MACKEY wrote: Simply put, these people don't play nice. They often make their gain by character assination, and have a lengthy record seen by several people. Too bad we can't vote 'em off the island, eh? :-) The squelching problem is repeater