Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Ron Wright
/06 Thu AM 06:32:31 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info. JK, The coaxial sections coming off each antenna element is 35 Ohm coax at odd multiples of 1/4 wave length. What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Ron Wright
JK, The coaxial sections coming off each antenna element is 35 Ohm coax at odd multiples of 1/4 wave length. What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms then 1/4 wl down the 35 Ohm cable it looks close to 100 Ohms looking into this cable. Then you take 2 of these ant elements/35 Ohm coax

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms then 1/4 wl down the 35 Ohm cable it looks close to 100 Ohms looking into this cable. No, that's not right. If the element were 50 ohms and you attached 1/4 wave of 35 ohm cable, you would transform it down to 25 ohms, not up to 100 ohms. You

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
- Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info. What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms then 1/4 wl down the 35 Ohm cable it looks close to 100

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Ron Wright
be simpler since only one cable critical length. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/03/06 Thu AM 10:36:40 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info. I agree with Jeff. The lines to each element

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread rb_n3dab
Hey Guys' Why don't you Just post a diagram with the pertinant information on on the RB site. A picture is with a a thousand words.( and numerous back and forth emails) I would be interested in seeing a simple solution for a new harness for all the DB di-pole antennas using commonly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Yes, on a DB212 antenna, the element is 50-ohms and has a 50-ohm pigtail. When you parallel two of these antennas, the feedpoint at the tee becomes 25 ohms. The 35-ohm 1/wave transformer brings things back to 50-ohms. Caution - other DB antenna elements are NOT at 50-ohms. We are talking about

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Sorry, typo should have said the 35-ohm 1/4-wave transformer - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info. Yes, on a DB212

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-06 Thread Ron Wright
Jeff, As some have stated the coax coming off the DB212-2 dipoles is 50 Ohms. These two are connected to a T connector and these 2 will be in parallel making 25 Ohms. The 35 Ohm coax, special for this application, forms what is called a coaxial transformer. Transformers can be used to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Yes, that is correct. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: John Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
You are correct. It was a poor choice of words on my part. I understand the theory of velocity factor. I am still not sure about the lengths involved with the harness. If the 50 ohm sections from the loops to the tee can be any length, (as long as they are the same) doesn't that affect

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
Your logic is right, but your assumption that the feedpoint Z of each bay is 200 ohms is wrong. A folded dipole in free space is close to 200 ohms when fed at the open center of one side, but the dipoles in the DB array are close-spaced to the mast which drops the feed Z to close to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

2008-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
The DB-212 is a 50-ohm antenna with a 50-ohm feedline. You are combining two 50-ohm antennas at the tee which makes it 25-ohms. A section of 35-ohm cable brings it back to 50-ohms. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: John Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: