Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-21 Thread wd8chl
TGundo 2003 wrote: > Your sources are mis-informed. This isn't "mis-information". This is personal experience. DTV requires MORE antenna to work without breakup. Where a little snow is perfectly tolerable, even a flinch of digital breakup once in a while can make it unwatchable. If your too

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-21 Thread TGundo 2003
Your sources are mis-informed. If your too close to the transmitter than likely your fighting multipath which is more harmful to DTV than analog, but it absolutly requires less signal to noise to get the DTV signal than analog. I have expierenced many times first hand. Also reflected in the fact

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-21 Thread wd8chl
Ben wrote: > If you haven't tried to rx DTV yet it's time you did. I can watch > channels now in studio quality that in analog are almost unwatchable > by todays standards. HD signals are very nice too! It's easy to pick > these channels up with the antenna you have up now and the cost is > ju

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-08 Thread TGundo 2003
LG will have a model 1st quarter this year with an MSRP (right now) of $50.00, and the scuttlebutt is that it will drop to $40 when it ships, making it free for those who have coupons. Keep an eye on CES this week, you will probably see it displayed there (Somewhere far away from the Laser TV mi

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread no6b
At 1/7/2008 22:23, you wrote: >Not exactly true. > >Analog operation for TV in metro areas will cease in Feb 2009. LPTV and >translators that are analog will be allowed to continue operating and >currently have no sunset time. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those LPTV stations suddenly became

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread JOHN MACKEY
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda > > - Original Message - > From: kf0m > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:01 PM > Subject: RE: [Repeater-B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread mung
atchable in >> the snow. Once the analog transmitters can be turned >>off, broadcasters' >> electric bills will be MUCH less than they are today. >> My eleven station >> network pays over a half million $$$ in electrical costs >>per year. We >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread MCH
of that after next > year. > > Hap Griffin > WZ4O > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MCH > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Repe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread DCFluX
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2008 6:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic > questions): NTIA propaganda > > But, how is that related to the transition to digital? The same could > have happened wit

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread Hap Griffin
:04 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda But, how is that related to the transition to digital? The same could have happened with simple channel reassignment. Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: > > Actually, there will be a huge a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread Nate Duehr
DCFluX wrote: > DTV transistion sounds better in print than Bandwidth snatch. See > channels 70-83. I understand that the auctions for the 108 MHz will > yield between 1 and 4 billion dollars. Since it's "only" $4 billion we just won't bother looking for it ending up anywhere useful. No one see

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread DCFluX
The transistion to the 'core' spectrum started happening around 2001, mostly with the low power translators. DTV transistion sounds better in print than Bandwidth snatch. See channels 70-83. I understand that the auctions for the 108 MHz will yield between 1 and 4 billion dollars. At least they d

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread MCH
But, how is that related to the transition to digital? The same could have happened with simple channel reassignment. Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: > > Actually, there will be a huge amount of spectrum freed up. Currently, the > television allocation is from channel 2 through channel 69. After Feb

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread Hap Griffin
- Original Message - From: kf0m To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda >As far as freeing up spectrum, I think it is just semantics. Right now almost

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-07 Thread Jamey Wright
Best Buy has them here. Jamey Wright Systems Analyst/EDACS Administrator Morgan County EMCD 911 Decatur, AL 256-552-0911 > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:01 AM > To: R

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
The numbering of the digital channels is to help the people that know nothing of TV past turning it on and changing channels. The station that I work for is channel 4. Our digital transmitter is on channel 34, but, the viewers know it is 4-1. That way they do not get lost in the channels. I do

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread kf0m
ect: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic > questions): NTIA propaganda > > > There is a DTV allocation in Harrisburg, PA for channel 2. > > Originally, they were all going to be on UHF, but that changed. > > Joe M. > > Dan Hancock wrote: > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread mung
and the cost is >> > > just going to do down from here. All TV's sold today >>are required >> to >> > > have DTV tuners. Go to Walmart and look. >> > > >> > > Several channels in Nashville are running up to 4 or >>more services >> on >> > > one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Hap Griffin
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda Stations want to identify by their old channel #. They have spent years telling you to tune to Channel 4 or what ever. The compute

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Hap Griffin
MCH To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda Along those lines... If they are broadcasting one HDTV channel, can they have only two other SD channe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Nope. The TV will search available channels and do all the work for you. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "MCH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA prop

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread MCH
gt; CBS, > > > 13-1 is ABC, 13-2 is FOX, 13-3 is UPN(or what ever they call > > > theirselves today), 53-1 to 53-6 are Kentucky Educational > Television > > > channels. They run PBS HD on 53-4...so many stations are > broadcasting > > > more than one service in that 6 MHz. > > > > > > Ben > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread w7hsg
Stations want to identify by their old channel #. They have spent years telling you to tune to Channel 4 or what ever. The computer in your television set reading the digital code from the stations will take the channel 4 information and translate it to the correct UHF channel such as in Tucson

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread MCH
Many of my local channels are using tags that have the ANALOG channel name. For example, while KDKA TV-2 DTV is on channel 25, the tag is 2-1 which is what you enter to see that channel. Either they are going to move back to channel 2 or things are going to get even more confusing if you have a cha

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Jack Taylor
Far as I'm concerned there's no need to jam the airways with mind-numbing content from every hamlet. A few regional advertising supported Ku band satellite channels should suffice. This would free up a LOT of spectrum. 73 de Jack - N7OO - Original Message - From: Ben To: Repe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I know a guy on the engineering staff for XETV. Want me to ask him? -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:00:20 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

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2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Here's lots more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic quest

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Digital is happening in Canada, just not at the same time as in the USA. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions):NTIA propaganda > It

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2008-01-06 Thread no6b
It would be interesting to know if the analog TV shutdown is going to occur in CA & MX. If not, we might see a number of new analog stations across the border. The Fox affiliate in San Diego is XETV ch. 6, & might end up being the only major analog TV station remaining after Feb. '09 broadcas

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread MCH
There is a DTV allocation in Harrisburg, PA for channel 2. Originally, they were all going to be on UHF, but that changed. Joe M. Dan Hancock wrote: > > It was my undeerstanding that all digital TV would be on UHF, no VHF > and that the VHF spectrum would be re-allocated. > Am I in error? > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread JOHN MACKEY
That is not correct. There will be some DTV on VHF. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:50:21 AM CST From: "Dan Hancock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda > It

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Take a look here: http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "John J. Riddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA prop

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
o: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda > Chuck, > No they have not switched to UHFdunno where you got that info? > I use an antenna here and still receive all of the VHF stations in Toronto &

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread John J. Riddell
- Original Message - From: "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda > All of the Buffalo, Erie, Toronto and Rochester TV stations

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda

2008-01-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
All of the Buffalo, Erie, Toronto and Rochester TV stations have gone to UHF. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "Dan Hancock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off Topic (but with on topic questions): NTIA propaganda