[Repeater-Builder] PCB Design Formulae for Microwave Circuit Elements

2008-04-14 Thread Jeff Condit
Hi all, I'm looking to try my hand at layout for some microwave printed circuit boards. Would any of you know where I might find (on the internet) formulae for the design of various PCB pattern geometry for various microwave functions (ratrace mixers, wilkinson splitters, hairpin filters,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: PLL and PIC programming

2008-04-14 Thread Chuck Lippmeier
Nate, Thank you for your incredibly comprehensive response RE: PIC and AVER programming and the state of that art. I also started with assembly language on 8085s and Z80s in the late 70s but gradually moved toward C and eventually LabVIEW on higher level machines. I loved the completeness of

[Repeater-Builder] How much power should you run through a 350 W duplexer?

2008-04-14 Thread Mel Farrer
OK, so I need to boost the power of my repeater from the 25-30 watt level and went to the Telewave website and found the power rating of the duplexer at 350 W. I can generate up to 350 watts with my FET amplifier and it is clean. I can also adjust the power easily to 100 watts. My thinking is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How much power should you run through a 350 W duplexer?

2008-04-14 Thread Bob M.
Personally, I'd go up to 300 watts which would give you a 10dB improvement. That much WILL be noticeable. Also you won't be pushing everything to the maximum it's capable of. Gives you a bit of a safety margin. But then again, the FCC rules state something about [...the minimum power necessary

[Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer tuning issues

2008-04-14 Thread Bob M.
I've got a Wacom 6943-SP (yeah, I know) Broadband Duplexer. It has four 4x4x12 inch bandpass sections on each side. All interconnections are done internally (i.e. no external coax jumpers between sections). According to the label, it was originally tuned for 901-902MHz RX, 929-932MHz TX. When

[Repeater-Builder] Re: PCB Design Formulae for Microwave Circuit Elements

2008-04-14 Thread skipp025
Hi Jeff, I've got some ideas to reply back with... but I wanted to also run your post by the members of the Yahoo rfamplifiers group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rfamplifiers/ Hopefully we'll get you a few different answers to review. cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com --- In

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How much power should you run through a 350 W duplexer?

2008-04-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Don't risk loosing your coordination by running more than you are coordinated for. Just something to keep in mind. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PCB Design Formulae for Microwave Circuit Elements

2008-04-14 Thread DCFluX
The trace width has to become a 50 ohm strip line. The botom layer of the PCB should be a solid ground plane. There is some debate about ground plane clearence to the top trace, I generally go with the width of the strip line on either side. Be sure to add plenty of vias to connect the top and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: How much power should you run through a 350 W duplexer?

2008-04-14 Thread skipp025
It should handle the 350 watts no problem. Just feel the top of the cavity at high power for excessive heat. And measure the loss in actual operation... You'll notice more broad-band stuff (more transmitter sideband noise from the PA Output) at the front end of your receiver... so you'll

[Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Hey all, MSR2000 does the exciter do any pre-emphasis, or is the repeater designed to use flat audio stock from Motorola? I know the local speaker de-emphases audio, but repeat audio, does it get de-emphasised then pre-emphasised at the exciter? Thanks, Jesse

[Repeater-Builder] PL REEDS WANTED

2008-04-14 Thread Captainlance
Wanted to buy: Motorola TLN6824/KLN6210 encoders, 136.5 Hz. TLN8381 DECODERS 136.5 Any quantity accepted. Lance Alfieri N2HBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] Cat200 Manual

2008-04-14 Thread Corey Dean N3FE
I am looking for a PDF version of the original Cat200 controller. I know the B version is on the cat site. Anyone have this available in PDF format? Corey N3FE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How much power should you run through a 350 W duplexer?

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Wright
Mel, Depends mostly on what duplexer you have. Many base type duplexer's will handle 350 W, but at that level of TX power the duplexer might not do enough for the receiver and cause desense. When running only 4 cavities this often happens even with 100 W better commercial rigs. Running

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB4055 Duplexer

2008-04-14 Thread Nate Duehr
de W5DK wrote: Nate, Thanks for the info, I have 4 or 5 clean 4076s that won’t go below 444/449 and still look good separation wise. I had made a call about 6 months ago and was told the cables were all the same but the loops are slightly longer on ones spec’d in the ham band. (wonder

Re: [Repeater-Builder] IFR-1200S for SALE

2008-04-14 Thread Jesse Lloyd
How much do you want for it? Jesse On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to sell my bench service monitor. It is in excellent shape and has the factory bag with it. I am going to place it on Ebay if anyone here on the list is not

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom 642 (duplexer war stories...)

2008-04-14 Thread Wayne
I have 2 UHF duplexers, one Decibel labeled by GE, and a Motorola. Both are using RG142 coaxial cable which is double shielded tinned or silver braid. I also have a pair of VHF Decibel cans that are using a jumper of RG214U between the two cans. I presume the 214 is silver or tinned

[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Jesse Lloyd
From what I have read in the manual, the receiver board puts out discriminator audio, and the exciter modulates direct FM with no pre-emphasis. So with a MSR200 repeater in its simplest form Receiver, Station Control Card, Squelch Gate, Exciter, I would suspect that the audio remains unchanged

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Tony Lelieveld
Hi Jesse, The MSR2000 processes the audio, and does de-emphasis, on the R1-Audio board before it goes through the various paths to the exciter where it gets pre-emphasized. 73, Tony VE3DWI From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Lloyd Sent:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Jesse Lloyd
I know R1 card does have a de-emphasis circuit, but I thought that was for the local speaker only, and that repeat audio doesn't go through that card. Any idea which components in the exciter pre-emphasize the audio? Jesse On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Tony Lelieveld [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MHW710-3

2008-04-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ian, The Motorola MHW710-3 is not common here in the US, because the -3 indicates 470-512 MHz operation. The -1 version is for 400-440 MHz, and the -2 version is for 440-470 MHz. My limited experience with this 13-watt PA module is that operation outside of its specified band split is not a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MHW710-3

2008-04-14 Thread Kerincom
Thanks Eric .Its used in a Philips tx815 w band which we use for commercial land/mobile use here . .I am currently trying to locate a tx815u band to suit my latest frequencies 454 and 463 mhz .I have tried one of the suggested stockist but are still looking to locate suppliers. Thank You, Ian

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Tony Lelieveld
Jesse, Again here is the text from my first reply. The MSR2000 processes the audio, and does de-emphasis, on the R1-Audio board before it goes through the various paths to the exciter where it gets pre-emphasized. If you have the manual, look at the RF control chassis where all the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Tony Lelieveld
Jesse, In the exciter description paragraph 2.1 TRANSMIT AUDIO CIRCUIT it states, Exciter audio from the station control module (or test microphone) is applied to audio amplifier Q501, then routed to the clipper/pre-emphasis circuit of Q502 and Q503. etc. etc. It's all there for you to read. I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Exciter audio pre-emphasis

2008-04-14 Thread Jesse Lloyd
I have bits and pieces of a manual, unfortunately that part I didn't have, thanks Tony Jesse On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Tony Lelieveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse, In the exciter description paragraph 2.1 TRANSMIT AUDIO CIRCUIT it states, Exciter audio from the station control