RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting the Kenwood TKR-820 to use with D-STAR

2010-06-30 Thread Mike Morris
An acquaintance of mine worked at one of the laserdisk
manufacturing plants for about a year.  He told me that
while he was there the yield was never over 19%.  That
means that at least 80 out of every 100 pressed were
tossed into a dumpster.  They were hauled away and
ground up into plastic chunks, melted down (that was
part of the deal) and used to make drinking glasses.

At 11:58 AM 06/29/10, you wrote:
Easy with the laserdisk now ;)

I still have a nice collection here.

Kb0wlf

  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
  buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902
  Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:50 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting the Kenwood TKR-820 to use
  with D-STAR
 
 
 
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, David Jordan wa3...@...
  wrote:
 
  ... I think D-STAR will end up like Quadraphonic sound.just a matter
  of time.  ..
  
 
  Agreed.  D-Star had the misfortune to roll out just ahead of the
  economic downturn.
 
  D-Star may trudge on much like LaserDisk did - Pioneer was pretty much
  the only one backing it just as D-Star has one major backer.
 
  LaserDisk survived until a better format won acceptance so it will be
  interesting to see where amateur VHF/UHF digital voice winds up.
 
  This quote from the Wikipedia LaserDisk article may fit D-Star in a
  couple of years:
 
  ...the format was poorly received in North America. In Europe and
  Australia, it remained largely an obscure format. It was, however, much
  more popular in Japan ...
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread x.tait.tech
Does print screen work, or else a screen dump to the printer, cannot
remember the keystroke
something like Ctrl-printscreen and them shift-printscreen

i think


Marcus



On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Don Kupferschmidt
dkupf...@sbcglobal.netwrote:



 All,

 I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing
 maps on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I
 can print to an ink jet printer.

 I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.

 Has anyone been successful in doing this?  Or do I need more software?  O/S
 is x/p Pro.

 TIA,

 Don, KD9PT

  



Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread John J. Riddell
Don, capture it with Alt + Printscreen
then open an Excel spread sheet, then drop your captured screen to it with 
Control V
Now you can print it.

73 John VE3AMZ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Don Kupferschmidt 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:42 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web





  All,

  I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing maps 
on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I can print 
to an ink jet printer.

  I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.

  Has anyone been successful in doing this?  Or do I need more software?  O/S 
is x/p Pro.

  TIA,

  Don, KD9PT




  

[Repeater-Builder] I never learn

2010-06-30 Thread Barry

When our lawn mower broke and  wouldn't run, my wife kept hinting to me
that I should get it  fixed..

But, somehow I always had something else to  take care of first, the shed,
the Ute, making beer.. Always  something more important to me.

Finally she thought of  a clever way to make her point.

When I arrived home  one day, I found her seated in the tall grass, busily
snipping away  with a tiny pair of sewing scissors. I watched silently for
a short  time and then went into the house.. I was gone only a minute, and
when I came out again I handed her a toothbrush.

I  said,

'When you finish cutting the grass, you might as  well sweep the driveway.'


The doctors say I will walk  again, but I will always have a limp. 


  
_
New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au
http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting the Kenwood TKR-820 to use with D-STAR

2010-06-30 Thread Chris Curtis
Sounds about right.

Press 2 disks then glue them together to make 1 completed laserdisk.

I remember when laserdisk added a digital audio track.
That was cool.  You got analog video, and your choice of analog or digital
audio.

I remember when laserdisk added an AC3 track.
Well, they added an ac3 track but delete an analog channel.
That irritated me a little.  I had, and still have some analog audio ONLY
laserdisk player.
This meant that the ac3 disk would play back in mono on these player.

Ya know, the laserdisk reference parallels closer to dual mode repeaters
than one might think.

Analog video (never changed)
Analog audio AND digital audio on the same media
Reduce the analog bandwidth in favor of a new feature rich digital medium.

;)

Yes, my poor brain thinks that way

Kb0wlf

Oh yes, my main laserdisk player still runs through a dwin line doubler

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
 buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris
 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:51 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting the Kenwood TKR-820 to
 use with D-STAR
 
 An acquaintance of mine worked at one of the laserdisk
 manufacturing plants for about a year.  He told me that
 while he was there the yield was never over 19%.  That
 means that at least 80 out of every 100 pressed were
 tossed into a dumpster.  They were hauled away and
 ground up into plastic chunks, melted down (that was
 part of the deal) and used to make drinking glasses.
 
 At 11:58 AM 06/29/10, you wrote:
 Easy with the laserdisk now ;)
 
 I still have a nice collection here.
 
 Kb0wlf
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
   buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902
   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:50 PM
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting the Kenwood TKR-820 to
 use
   with D-STAR
  
  
  
   --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, David Jordan
 wa3...@...
   wrote:
  
   ... I think D-STAR will end up like Quadraphonic sound.just a
 matter
   of time.  ..
   ---
 -
  
   Agreed.  D-Star had the misfortune to roll out just ahead of the
   economic downturn.
  
   D-Star may trudge on much like LaserDisk did - Pioneer was pretty
 much
   the only one backing it just as D-Star has one major backer.
  
   LaserDisk survived until a better format won acceptance so it will
 be
   interesting to see where amateur VHF/UHF digital voice winds up.
  
   This quote from the Wikipedia LaserDisk article may fit D-Star in a
   couple of years:
  
   ...the format was poorly received in North America. In Europe and
   Australia, it remained largely an obscure format. It was, however,
 much
   more popular in Japan ...
  
  
  
   
  
  
  
   Yahoo! Groups Links
  
  
  
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[Repeater-Builder] 1296 cavity filter

2010-06-30 Thread robertogrb
Hi to all.
I'm searching a valid project of 1296MHz cavity filter. Schematic, images are 
appreciated.
I would use it on 1296 fm repeater and atv repeater 1240/1290.
Could be interesting a project of cavity filter with unique antenna out.
Someone can help me?

Many thanks
73
Roberto IS0GRB





[Repeater-Builder] 1296 cavity filter

2010-06-30 Thread robertogrb
Hi to all.
I'm searching a project of 1296 cavity filter, to use also for atv 1240/1290MHz.
Could be interesting also a project of 1296 cavity filter with unique antenna 
out.
Someone can help me?

Many thanks
Best 73
Roberto IS0GRB




[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread pgget
Do a shift print screen of the map.  Open paint and paste the image using the 
editor menu.  It can be edited at this point by copying what is desired and 
pasting it to a new screen.  Save as a file that can be opened by picture 
viewer(bitmap,bmp).  Picture viewer has a much better printing method then 
paint does.  Paul kb9wlc

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, x.tait.tech x.tait.t...@... wrote:

 Does print screen work, or else a screen dump to the printer, cannot
 remember the keystroke
 something like Ctrl-printscreen and them shift-printscreen
 
 i think
 
 
 Marcus
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Don Kupferschmidt
 dkupf...@...wrote:
 
 
 
  All,
 
  I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing
  maps on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I
  can print to an ink jet printer.
 
  I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.
 
  Has anyone been successful in doing this?  Or do I need more software?  O/S
  is x/p Pro.
 
  TIA,
 
  Don, KD9PT
 
   
 





Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1296 cavity filter

2010-06-30 Thread DCFluX
Try running a 440 cavity filter in 3/4 wave mode.

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:52 AM, robertogrb is0...@is0grb.it wrote:
 Hi to all.
 I'm searching a project of 1296 cavity filter, to use also for atv 
 1240/1290MHz.
 Could be interesting also a project of 1296 cavity filter with unique antenna 
 out.
 Someone can help me?

 Many thanks
 Best 73
 Roberto IS0GRB




 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread La Rue Communications
Y'all don't even need to hold down shift or ctrl, or alt. Just hit print 
screen, open paint up and paste (ctrl V). Save it as JPG / IMG / whatever 
format you need it. Edit photo / crop as necessary and print. :-)

Cheers!
 
John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: pgget 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:45 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web



  Do a shift print screen of the map. Open paint and paste the image using the 
editor menu. It can be edited at this point by copying what is desired and 
pasting it to a new screen. Save as a file that can be opened by picture 
viewer(bitmap,bmp). Picture viewer has a much better printing method then paint 
does. Paul kb9wlc

  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, x.tait.tech x.tait.t...@... 
wrote:
  
   Does print screen work, or else a screen dump to the printer, cannot
   remember the keystroke
   something like Ctrl-printscreen and them shift-printscreen
   
   i think
   
   
   Marcus
   
   
   
   On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Don Kupferschmidt
   dkupf...@...wrote:
   
   
   
All,
   
I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing
maps on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I
can print to an ink jet printer.
   
I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.
   
Has anyone been successful in doing this? Or do I need more software? O/S
is x/p Pro.
   
TIA,
   
Don, KD9PT
   

   
  



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Correct. That's what I posted earlier. Works great and is easy.

Chuck
WB2EDV


  - Original Message - 
  From: La Rue Communications 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the 
web





  Y'all don't even need to hold down shift or ctrl, or alt. Just hit print 
screen, open paint up and paste (ctrl V). Save it as JPG / IMG / whatever 
format you need it. Edit photo / crop as necessary and print. :-)

  Cheers!

  John Hymes
  La Rue Communications
  10 S. Aurora Street
  Stockton, CA 95202
  http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn


[Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

2010-06-30 Thread Joe
Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you frustration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU

73, Joe, k1ike


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

2010-06-30 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Expect to see them on e-Pay soon ...

...worked last time we plugged them (in)...

73, Dick, W1KSZ


-Original Message-
From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net
Sent: Jun 30, 2010 8:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you frustration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU

73, Joe, k1ike






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Chris Curtis
Google earth isn't Google maps.

Kb0wlf

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Cc: dkupf...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the
web





I guess I don't get it.  What am I missing?  Gee, That was easy!
Google Earth:  File, Print.

Then you choose the quality that you want:
  . and it sizes the picture only, to print nicely on your printer.
Two clicks of the mouse. Very intuitive.   You must be looking for something
more complicated than I realize.
Bill Hudson W6CBS




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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Hudson
Thanks, I knew it was just too easy!  This is OT anyway, but thanks.  Bill
 
  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:03 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the
web
 
  
Google earth isn't Google maps.

Kb0wlf

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
Cc: dkupf...@sbcglobal.net mailto:dkupfers%40sbcglobal.net 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the
web

I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Gee, That was easy!
Google Earth: File, Print.

Then you choose the quality that you want:
. and it sizes the picture only, to print nicely on your printer.
Two clicks of the mouse. Very intuitive. You must be looking for something
more complicated than I realize.
Bill Hudson W6CBS

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

2010-06-30 Thread La Rue Communications
This guy needs to work on his aim. :-) Can totally relate though!! THE HUMANITY 
THE HUMANITY!!!

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:36 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor



  Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you frustration.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU

  73, Joe, k1ike


  

[Repeater-Builder] Rebanding question (was wrong subject before)

2010-06-30 Thread ncc74656_uss_voyager
Does anyone know offhand:

a) when rebanding will be complete in the USA.

b) when it will be complete in PA.

Thanks,
Joe M.




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rebanding question (was wrong subject before)

2010-06-30 Thread Dave Clausen
Can't answer either question but here is your source for all things rebanding 
on 800 MHz.

http://www.800ta.org/

Dave
NN4TT





From: ncc74656_uss_voyager m...@nb.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 12:49:17 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rebanding question (was wrong subject before)

  
Does anyone know offhand:

a) when rebanding will be complete in the USA.

b) when it will be complete in PA.

Thanks,
Joe M.





  

[Repeater-Builder] How to Disable - Block - Remove Yahoo Trending

2010-06-30 Thread skipp025
How to Disable - Block - Remove Yahoo trending  

If anyone else on the group using Yahoo (Classic) Email is 
annoyed enough (me being very civil about the subject) by the 
scrolling Yahoo Trending Display, you can stop it by plugging 
the no-script add-on into your Mozilla Web Browser. 

It's possible to regain your composure...  maybe not your 
sanity or what's left of it. 

cheers, 
s. 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Plack
Don,

There are no Shift, Alt or Ctrl keys needed for the capture. With the Map 
displayed on the screen, simply press [PrintScreen] unshifted. This puts the 
image on the Windows clipboard. Now...

(1) Open MS Paint. (Start, All Programs, Accessories, Paint)
(2) [Ctrl]+[V] pastes the image into Paint.
(3) Select the area to be saved to eliminate uneeded stuff around the edges.
(4) [Ctrl]+[X] snips out the selected area, which is now on the clipboard.
(5) Move the cursor to the File menu at top of screen and select New. (Click 
no when asked if you want to save the current file.)
(6) Staring from the new blank file displayed, [Ctrl}+[V} inserts the area 
selected from the original screen save into Paint.
(7) Save it as a JPEG.
(8) Use MS Windows Picture  Fax Viewer to display and print, insert the image 
into a document, etc., lots of options.

This seems like many steps, but it's actually pretty quick, and saving as a 
JPEG leaves many options. Works great during videos, too.

73,
Paul, AE4KR


  - Original Message - 
  From: Don Kupferschmidt 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:42 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web




  All,

  I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing maps 
on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I can print 
to an ink jet printer.

  I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.

  Has anyone been successful in doing this?  Or do I need more software?  O/S 
is x/p Pro.

  TIA,

  Don, KD9PT


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web

2010-06-30 Thread Don Kupferschmidt
Hi Paul,

Many thanks to all who responded to my post.  I was able to experiment with 
your suggestions and then I exported the map from the screen into paint and 
save it to a jpeg.  I borrowed a copy of Photo Studio from a friend and in 
playing around with it I was able to crop the picture and then add my notations.

Paul, you are definitely right about saving it to a jpeg.  Lots of options to 
play with.

Again, many thanks to all.

Don, KD9PT



  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Plack 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web




  Don,

  There are no Shift, Alt or Ctrl keys needed for the capture. With the Map 
displayed on the screen, simply press [PrintScreen] unshifted. This puts the 
image on the Windows clipboard. Now...

  (1) Open MS Paint. (Start, All Programs, Accessories, Paint)
  (2) [Ctrl]+[V] pastes the image into Paint.
  (3) Select the area to be saved to eliminate uneeded stuff around the edges.
  (4) [Ctrl]+[X] snips out the selected area, which is now on the clipboard.
  (5) Move the cursor to the File menu at top of screen and select New. 
(Click no when asked if you want to save the current file.)
  (6) Staring from the new blank file displayed, [Ctrl}+[V} inserts the area 
selected from the original screen save into Paint.
  (7) Save it as a JPEG.
  (8) Use MS Windows Picture  Fax Viewer to display and print, insert the 
image into a document, etc., lots of options.

  This seems like many steps, but it's actually pretty quick, and saving as a 
JPEG leaves many options. Works great during videos, too.

  73,
  Paul, AE4KR


- Original Message - 
From: Don Kupferschmidt 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT:Printing google or Bing maps from the web


  

All,

I'm trying to print a map which was brought up on either google or bing 
maps on the internet and then export it to a bmp or jpg file which then I can 
print to an ink jet printer.

I've tried and tried to figure this out, but cannot to find a solution.

Has anyone been successful in doing this?  Or do I need more software?  O/S 
is x/p Pro.

TIA,

Don, KD9PT



  

[Repeater-Builder] RG-142B/U

2010-06-30 Thread hitekgearhead
I have access to some Belden 83242 coax which is of RG-142B/U type.

The specifications look pretty good but I was wondering if anyone has any 
inputs or thoughts on it's use.

Also, does it require any special connectors?

Thanks



Re: [Repeater-Builder] RG-142B/U

2010-06-30 Thread NORM KNAPP
It is decent stuff but it has a silver covered copper clad steel (yes steel, 
test it with a magnet) center conductor. If you don't immobilize it after 
installation, you run risk of noise (and other problems) when the steel core 
breaks from metal fatigue.
If it is free, great! Get all you can.
Better to use (imho) RG400 or RG223u. (If you got to stay small).
Connectors for RG58 are usually suitable, but in some cases specific RG 142 
connectors are required.
73 
Norm

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed Jun 30 16:27:45 2010
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RG-142B/U

  

I have access to some Belden 83242 coax which is of RG-142B/U type.

The specifications look pretty good but I was wondering if anyone has any 
inputs or thoughts on it's use.

Also, does it require any special connectors?

Thanks






Re: [Repeater-Builder] RG-142B/U

2010-06-30 Thread Kris Kirby
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, NORM KNAPP wrote:
 It is decent stuff but it has a silver covered copper clad steel (yes 
 steel, test it with a magnet) center conductor. If you don't 
 immobilize it after installation, you run risk of noise (and other 
 problems) when the steel core breaks from metal fatigue. If it is 
 free, great! Get all you can. Better to use (imho) RG400 or RG223u. 
 (If you got to stay small). Connectors for RG58 are usually suitable, 
 but in some cases specific RG 142 connectors are required. 73 Norm

I second what he said. I'm in the process of trying to replace my RG-142 
jumpers with RG-400. Also, RG-142, while well shielded, does have 
appreciable loss per foot at the higher frequencies.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
Disinformation Analyst


[Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

2010-06-30 Thread hitekgearhead
I know I am revisiting this again but I could use some clarification.

It has been stated before that the Motorola low band helical antennas have a 
useful bandwidth of about 1MHz.

I was just wondering why that was the case, say in comparison to HT antennas in 
other bands. For instance, (and correct me if I am wrong) the mid UHF 
(430-470MHz) radios often all use the same 6 1/4 wave whip.

What am I missing? I know that the first type of antenna is loaded and the 
other is a 1/4 wave whip, but beyond that I don't understand the fundamental 
differences that would allow one a wider bandwidth over the other. Please 
pardon my antenna theory ignorance


Also, in relation to that, what use would be a 99 channel MT1000 unless one 
either programmed the frequencies on quite a narrow spread, or carried multiple 
antennas?

Thanks in advance,

Albert



RE: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

2010-06-30 Thread Chris Curtis
The lower you go in frequency, the more metal you need to make an impact
in resonant length.

Ever try snipping an inch or two off a 160m wire dipole?
Doesn't make a difference until you take a couple feet off.

Kb0wlf

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
 buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hitekgearhead
 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:58 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas
 
 I know I am revisiting this again but I could use some clarification.
 
 It has been stated before that the Motorola low band helical antennas
 have a useful bandwidth of about 1MHz.
 
 I was just wondering why that was the case, say in comparison to HT
 antennas in other bands. For instance, (and correct me if I am wrong)
 the mid UHF (430-470MHz) radios often all use the same 6 1/4 wave
 whip.
 
 What am I missing? I know that the first type of antenna is loaded and
 the other is a 1/4 wave whip, but beyond that I don't understand the
 fundamental differences that would allow one a wider bandwidth over the
 other. Please pardon my antenna theory ignorance
 
 
 Also, in relation to that, what use would be a 99 channel MT1000 unless
 one either programmed the frequencies on quite a narrow spread, or
 carried multiple antennas?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Albert
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

2010-06-30 Thread Chris Curtis
I guess I should have simply said the lower you go, the less useable
bandwidth you have at a given length.

My apologies.

As with the aforementioned 160m dipole, I get about 15kHz bandwidth without
the tuner.

Kb0wlf

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 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas
 
 I know I am revisiting this again but I could use some clarification.
 
 It has been stated before that the Motorola low band helical antennas
 have a useful bandwidth of about 1MHz.
 
 I was just wondering why that was the case, say in comparison to HT
 antennas in other bands. For instance, (and correct me if I am wrong)
 the mid UHF (430-470MHz) radios often all use the same 6 1/4 wave
 whip.
 
 What am I missing? I know that the first type of antenna is loaded and
 the other is a 1/4 wave whip, but beyond that I don't understand the
 fundamental differences that would allow one a wider bandwidth over the
 other. Please pardon my antenna theory ignorance
 
 
 Also, in relation to that, what use would be a 99 channel MT1000 unless
 one either programmed the frequencies on quite a narrow spread, or
 carried multiple antennas?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Albert
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

2010-06-30 Thread Ray Brown

- Original Message - 
From: hitekgearhead hitekgearh...@hotmail.com


I know I am revisiting this again but I could use some clarification.

 It has been stated before that the Motorola low band helical antennas have a 
 useful bandwidth of about 1MHz.

 I was just wondering why that was the case, say in comparison to HT antennas 
 in other bands. For instance, (and correct me if I am 
 wrong) the mid UHF (430-470MHz) radios often all use the same 6 1/4 wave 
 whip.

 What am I missing? I know that the first type of antenna is loaded and the 
 other is a 1/4 wave whip, but beyond that I don't 
 understand the fundamental differences that would allow one a wider bandwidth 
 over the other. Please pardon my antenna theory 
 ignorance

  Proportionally, there is less difference between 450 to 470 MHz  (20 / 450, 
or 4.44%) than there is between
30 to 36 MHz ( 6 / 30, or 20%) or even 42 to 50 MHz (that'd be 8 / 42, or 19%). 
Receive won't be affected very much (although you 
could measure the difference) but transmitting would have 2:1 or worse SWR.

  That's why at home I run a j-pole tuned to 52.52 for FM and repeater work, 
and a 3-el Yagi tuned to 50.2 for SSB work. If I tried 
swapping antennas for the different modes, I get a 2.5 SWR. I then go oh shoot 
and flip the switch back. :-)

  (And on-topic, I'm running 1/4 wave antennas tuned for 51.55 receive and 
53.25 transmit. :-)

Ray, KB0STN




RE: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

2010-06-30 Thread Barry

Real easy  to visualise

 consider the length of a wavelength then lay the antenna against it 
 the ht stick gets shorter in comparision the lower in frequency 
  
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