Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSTR II Mobile @ 100W

2009-11-30 Thread Kevin Custer
tahrens301 wrote:
 Hi Folks,

 snip---
 Since I'm looking at using it as a solar pwr'd repeater, what
 is the best way to turn the power down (without making a bunch
 of spurs along with it)?
   

Remove parts of the PA back to the desired output.  Match that output 
correctly to the LPF.
Here is a similar conversion where I took a 100 watt MICOR PA and sawed 
it in half - wound a custom output transformer - and coupled it to the 
LPF (low pass filter):
Scroll down in the page to see the picture and read the caption above:
http://www.kuggie.com/ahra/hmftinfo.html

OR
Use the exciter to drive a Japanese power brick.  Easily done with one 
of these:
http://www.repeater-builder.com/products/ampbd.html
Tastes great - less filling (cheap and spur free)

Remove the audio amplifier or put a switch in line with the B+ to it.

Kevin


[Repeater-Builder] MSTR II Mobile @ 100W

2009-11-29 Thread tahrens301
Hi Folks,

I've acquired a MSTR II mobile that has already been placed in
repeater service, with a large control box, etc attached via
the main connector on the front of the radio.

I'm planning on removing all of the external stuff (speaker, etc)
to make it as self contained as possible.  Found a wealth of
info here on RB.

Since I'm looking at using it as a solar pwr'd repeater, what
is the best way to turn the power down (without making a bunch
of spurs along with it)?

The model# tag is no longer attached, but the final PCB has
the number:  PL19D416964G1REVF.

It is VHF, and has 4 power transistors across the board.

I've heard that running the amp at less than rated power isn't
a good thing to do.

thanks,

Tim





Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSTR II Mobile @ 100W

2009-11-29 Thread Nate Duehr

On Nov 29, 2009, at 10:18 PM, tahrens301 wrote:

 Since I'm looking at using it as a solar pwr'd repeater, what
 is the best way to turn the power down (without making a bunch
 of spurs along with it)?

Remove sections of the PA, or find the factory-built lower-power PA's for 
whatever band you're using it on.  Low power VHF's are sometimes seen, but 
often they're in the Station configuration, not a mobile.  They're almost drop 
in replacements for each other, however... so it's easy to move them around 
between heatsink housings.

 The model# tag is no longer attached, but the final PCB has
 the number: PL19D416964G1REVF.

 It is VHF, and has 4 power transistors across the board.

There were two major models of VHF PA.  Without looking that board up, there's 
one with all four transistors in a vertical arrangement with equal-distance 
gaps between them, and the transistors themselves are very small (about 1/2).  
That PA was the original design, and was known for being HIGHLY spurious. 

The later models used bigger transistors (about the size of a quarter) arranged 
horizontally with two pairs of drivers obvious in their layout, and a 
Wilkinson divider/combiner type setup with large 1/2 watt resistors.  Those are 
less prone to spur issues.

However, ALL of them used a driver board that fed into a middle power 
amplification board. 

But... and here's the big but... the engineers at GE knew folks might need 
low-power versions and they knew the limitations of the high-power ones. Their 
low power PA's are usually nothing more than the driver board, a missing PA 
board, and a connection all the way across to the Low-Pass Filter board.  The 
final output is MUCH less, and the driver by itself won't spur or have any 
issues at all.

In the VHF's, there's a feedback circuit to deal with between the PA board and 
the driver board.  In UHF's, the driver runs flat-out and doesn't care.  You 
can study the circuit block diagrams and the schematics and board layout in the 
LBI's and pull the power section of the board out, deal with the feedback loop 
on the VHF PA, if VHF... and jumper over to the LPF with high quality coax run 
as directly and short as possible, and you have  Voila!... almost a factory 
low-power PA.

 I've heard that running the amp at less than rated power isn't
 a good thing to do.

And you've heard correctly unless you have a spectrum analyzer and put it 
through the wringer.  On some frequencies, and with some PA's you CAN get away 
with it.  

But that's not widely disseminated via public forums like RB, because 
inevitably someone comes along without proper test gear and puts one on the 
air, making a headache for themselves, the other tenants at the site, and 
indirectly, ham radio in general by making us all look like fools who can't 
properly measure things that any commercial company tech would be equipped to 
do.  ;-)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
n...@natetech.com

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