Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Joe
I worked on an antenna problem recently on a 900Mhz spread spectrum meter system here in Connecticut. I only spent an afternoon, but the technology is fascinating. Two way communications from selected sites to the meters will eventually be implemented. If the customers meter does not have a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis
wallet - Original Message - From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program I worked on an antenna problem recently on a 900Mhz spread spectrum meter system here

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Chuck Kelsey
, November 12, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program may be fascinating technology, but it won't be so fascinating when you are facing a huge electric bill because they jacked your rates up during peak hours. the system fascinates me from a tech standpoint

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread dmurman
//Nov 12, 2009 01:13:07 PM, Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote: // A good example would be to shut off your electric hot //water heater for 5 minutes. This would probably have no direct effect //on the customer, but would be a great cost saver for the power company. Gee,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Andrew Seybold
: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program I worked on an antenna problem recently on a 900Mhz spread spectrum

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread wd8chl
Andrew Seybold wrote: The technology for this I believe is called Zigbee-you can find a lot of info on the web-systems will operate on 900 (US only), 2.4 and 5.8 GHz now, other uses include full house control of lights, heating etc, each light switch in a home is also a repeater and it will be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Chuck Kelsey
- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@hotmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program oh and lets not forget the real reason they get away with what they do. Cable, telco, and Utilities

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis
. Chrysafis kc8...@hotmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program This is how business operates. Wait until you start getting charged by the byte for Internet use. It's coming. Already doing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis
This is how business operates. Wait until you start getting charged by the byte for Internet use. It's coming. Already doing this in other countries. when this happens i will be dropping internet service due to being on a fixed income. i will not be able to afford a huge unexpected bill which

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Kris Kirby
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: This is how business operates. Wait until you start getting charged by the byte for Internet use. It's coming. Already doing this in other countries. We've already been there. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis
We've already been there. i rember this in the early 90's. which is why i did not have internet back then either. my first exposure was in the mid 90's when the local library started offering free internet access. then was on dial up till a few years ago. i have hung onto my v.92 modems

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Nate Duehr
I don't see anything particularly revolutionary about a mesh/node data network. That's been going on for years and years... (Trying to keep this on-topic...) By the way, there's some math formulas done back in the 70s and 80s that show the maximum throughput rates of networks like this, and

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Nate Duehr
technology and we will be seeing a lot more of it. Andy From: repeater-buil...@yahoogroups. com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread Joe
Nate Duehr wrote: I don't see anything particularly revolutionary about a mesh/node data network. That's been going on for years and years... I never used the word revolutionary. All I did was describe the way the network operates and remarked how well it worked. Joe

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-12 Thread no6b
At 11/12/2009 07:05, you wrote: The technology for this I believe is called Zigbee you can find a lot of info on the web systems will operate on 900 (US only), 2.4 and 5.8 GHz now, other uses include full house control of lights, heating etc, each light switch in a home is also a repeater and

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread Mark
Skipp, Isn't this close enough to PAVE PAWS to cause some problems? They basically cleared the 440 band out... Literally millions of transmitters potentially interfering with the RADAR... Hmm. This sounds like it could get interesting. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread Daron Wilson
-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program Skipp, Isn't this close enough to PAVE PAWS to cause some problems? They basically cleared the 440 band out... Literally millions of transmitters potentially interfering with the RADAR... Hmm. This sounds like

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread MCH
They cleared out 440, but I didn't think they cleared out the 450-470 Land Mobile band, too, did they? Land Mobile uses much higher power TXs which would be that much more of a problem than these flea power transmitters. Joe M. Mark wrote: Skipp, Isn't this close enough to PAVE PAWS to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Plack
Sounds to me like having a friend in the shop at PGE will come in handy when it's time to build short-hop links or a portable event repeater! - 73, Paul AE4KR - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:02 AM

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program

2009-11-11 Thread Andrew Seybold
Of MCH Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:38 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program They cleared out 440, but I didn't think they cleared out the 450-470 Land Mobile band, too, did they? Land Mobile uses much higher power TXs