Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter combiners

2004-11-28 Thread Gareth Bennett





Hi Ian, very informative. I wonder what calc 
program you recommend?

This is for Transmit combining at 83 MHz and at 
present I am utilising 3/4 wavelength coax (213) from the cavities to the 
porcupine.
There is only two transmitters on at present and 
the stub somehow likes to be shorter than 1/4 Wavelength.

I'm trying to replicate a system that was 
de-commissioned about one year back, and the tech that took over ripped 
everything out thinking that he knew better. Originally we were using 6 port 
porcupines but he threw these out and I have been fortuitous to even find an 8 
port one. All unused ports are left open (Except for TX1, TX2 and the 
stub).
We used to run "Star" combining like this in the 
old New Zealand Post Office and it worked great!. Just a pity I didn't obtain 
some of the site planned and calcs then :-(

Thanks for your help!
_

Gareth Bennett

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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ian 
  Ashford 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:23 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 
  Transmitter combiners
  
  Gareth,
  
  For two transmitters the length of the circulator 
  to porcupine jumper would be 5/8 wavelength in coax.
  
  When these two are parrelled the common 
  impedanceis 25+j25 ohm.
  
  Looking at the Smith chart it looks like a 
  paralleled s/c stub of -j25 would acheive a match to 50 ohm.
  
  Putting these figures into lengths of 
  RG213:
  
  Circulator to porcupine 
  jumper0.85m
  
   s/c stub 
  0.58m
  
  I dont know how many transmitters you are 
  combining,the stub impedance is -j16ohm for 3 transmitters and -j12 for 
  four.
  
  There are lots of good transmission line 
  calculators available on a google search.
  
  Ian
  G8PWE
  www.gb3dx.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Gareth Bennett 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:11 
AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter 
combiners

Hi there Group :-)
 Is there somebody in the 
group who has knowledge on "Star" transmitter combining? I am trying to 
remember the formula for the "Tuning Stub" that also is fitted to the star, 
or "Porcupine" as we call them over here. All the stubs here are less than 
1/4 wavelength (Including VF of cable)and as normal are shorted at the 
end :-) ..
 Everything else is as one 
would expect with the food chain going like this... 
Transmitter-Isolator-Cavity-"Porcupine" - Antenna.
 I want to tune this as best 
as I can, but don't want to spend large amounts of time hacking off coax 
:-)
 Any formula would be 
appreciated. I have tried to reverse engineer what we have in service to 
gain some formula, but nothing makes sense. 

Can anybody remember?

Thanks in advance :-)
_

Gareth Bennett

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter combiners

2004-11-27 Thread Ian Ashford





Gareth,

For two transmitters the length of the circulator 
to porcupine jumper would be 5/8 wavelength in coax.

When these two are parrelled the common 
impedanceis 25+j25 ohm.

Looking at the Smith chart it looks like a 
paralleled s/c stub of -j25 would acheive a match to 50 ohm.

Putting these figures into lengths of 
RG213:

Circulator to porcupine 
jumper0.85m

 s/c stub 0.58m

I dont know how many transmitters you are 
combining,the stub impedance is -j16ohm for 3 transmitters and -j12 for 
four.

There are lots of good transmission line 
calculators available on a google search.

Ian
G8PWE
www.gb3dx.com








  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gareth Bennett 
  
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:11 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter 
  combiners
  
  Hi there Group :-)
   Is there somebody in the group 
  who has knowledge on "Star" transmitter combining? I am trying to remember the 
  formula for the "Tuning Stub" that also is fitted to the star, or "Porcupine" 
  as we call them over here. All the stubs here are less than 1/4 wavelength 
  (Including VF of cable)and as normal are shorted at the end :-) 
  ..
   Everything else is as one 
  would expect with the food chain going like this... 
  Transmitter-Isolator-Cavity-"Porcupine" - Antenna.
   I want to tune this as best as 
  I can, but don't want to spend large amounts of time hacking off coax 
  :-)
   Any formula would be 
  appreciated. I have tried to reverse engineer what we have in service to gain 
  some formula, but nothing makes sense. 
  
  Can anybody remember?
  
  Thanks in advance :-)
  _
  
  Gareth Bennett
  
  This e-mail is confidential, if you received this 
  message in error, or youare not the intended recipient,please return 
  it to the sender and destroy any copies.Thank 
  you.













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