Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
Hi there Ian; It sounds like you are a Maxon dealer? A better option if you wanted to persue the single CTCSS path and to keep your quiescent current on your solar sites down would be to utilise the Maxon SD-170 series of Data radio's for your repeaters. We have used these VERY successfully here in NZ on alpine sites with a PA where other gear was just too hard on batteries.(As I recall they only use 65mA on stby) ALSO these radio's will Pass CTCSS :-) ... So you could configure these at your Back-Back links and also your Remote Sites if you so desired. And they come with some other neat features that you could implement later :-) If I was putting together a budget community network this is one of the avenues that I would pursue, especially if cost was an issue. Cheers; Gareth Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
cool .i am a maxon dealer and that would be a good sugestion .also i thank the sugestion about opening the links and not haveing them controled by ctcss .it has improved the rresponse time greatly Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14 November, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi there Ian; It sounds like you are a Maxon dealer? A better option if you wanted to persue the single CTCSS path and to keep your quiescent current on your solar sites down would be to utilise the Maxon SD-170 series of Data radio's for your repeaters. We have used these VERY successfully here in NZ on alpine sites with a PA where other gear was just too hard on batteries.(As I recall they only use 65mA on stby) ALSO these radio's will Pass CTCSS :-) ... So you could configure these at your Back-Back links and also your Remote Sites if you so desired. And they come with some other neat features that you could implement later :-) If I was putting together a budget community network this is one of the avenues that I would pursue, especially if cost was an issue. Cheers; Gareth Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
Hi Ian :-) You are more than welcome, glad that I have been of some assistance. It's good to see the usefulness of the list, and also to Talk to someone closer to home:-) When I was 23, I was laid off from the old New Zealand Post Office when it was purchased by and is now Telecom NZ. Started my own repeater networks and ran about thirty channels for ten years. Got Itchy feet and went to PNG for a while, and recently returned to work in the Hydro industry, (Much safer, no shooting :-) but quite boring, no Landmobile! I started what you are now doing and have learnt many tricks of the trade in the last 12 years... It's the Australasian way to make a space shuttle out of a coke can and a bit of #8 fencing wire. :-) One learns fast when you have to put your own money on the line and guarantee results! Might be in OZ and around QLD mid next year ... It would be cool to catch up for a beer :-) Ive wasted enough B/W for now, If there is anything that I can do to help you, please dont hesitate to give me an e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers _ Gareth Bennett This e-mail is confidential, if you received this message in error, or you are not the intended recipient, please return it to the sender and destroy any copies. Thank you. - Original Message - From: ian wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 cool .i am a maxon dealer and that would be a good sugestion .also i thank the sugestion about opening the links and not haveing them controled by ctcss .it has improved the rresponse time greatly Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14 November, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi there Ian; It sounds like you are a Maxon dealer? A better option if you wanted to persue the single CTCSS path and to keep your quiescent current on your solar sites down would be to utilise the Maxon SD-170 series of Data radio's for your repeaters. We have used these VERY successfully here in NZ on alpine sites with a PA where other gear was just too hard on batteries.(As I recall they only use 65mA on stby) ALSO these radio's will Pass CTCSS :-) ... So you could configure these at your Back-Back links and also your Remote Sites if you so desired. And they come with some other neat features that you could implement later :-) If I was putting together a budget community network this is one of the avenues that I would pursue, especially if cost was an issue. Cheers; Gareth Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
Hi Ian, What CTCSS freq are you using by the way, (I hope not 100 Hz?) I'd can the Back to back Rx CTCSS and that would speed up the link no end. What's the linking paths like between your main repeater and your two remote sites? Your decode times are indeed excessive, also I wonder what breed is your mobile gear (Tait?) Icom for instance is VERY slow to decode CTCSS. What facilities do you have for test and measurement? Do you have a service monitor or at least a deviation meter and signal gen that can generate CTCSS frequency? How have you wired your back to back T2010's (Will they pass CTCSS witithout regeneration?) Also what PSU are you running? If there is mains hum (Hence reason NOT to use 100 Hz subtone) this will bugger you up no end. Just a few questions as starters and we can go from there :-) Cheers; Gareth Bennett Comme Engineer Electrix Ltd New Zealand HVDC link Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 13 November, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi Ian, What CTCSS freq are you using by the way, (I hope not 100 Hz?) actually yes .sounds like i better find another frequency I'd can the Back to back Rx CTCSS and that would speed up the link no end. What's the linking paths like between your main repeater and your two remote sites? reasonably good Your decode times are indeed excessive, also I wonder what breed is your mobile gear (Tait?) all tait t2010 rx and tx Icom for instance is VERY slow to decode CTCSS. What facilities do you have for test and measurement? Do you have a service monitor or at least a deviation meter and signal gen that can generate CTCSS frequency? yes waveteck service monitor 4031 How have you wired your back to back T2010's (Will they pass CTCSS witithout regeneration?) not sure below - S14-1 +13 vdc (switched) (could use S13-12 unswitched dc) S14-2+5 vdc S14-3 COS (+5v goes to 0 volts when active) S14-4 If you use CTCSS use this pin instead of S14-3. S14-6 PTT (0v = transmit ) (ground this pin for ptt) S13-3 Receiver audio line out S13-6 Transmitter audio line in S13-11 Ground i also have the s14-4 being used to switch the tx on all the sites this is being done via a 4n25 opto ic to drive a small pnp transistor to switch the tx on the transmitter i have wired the s13-3 via a audio level circuit to s13-6disk audio in the subtone filters are also enabled on each site Also what PSU are you running? If there is mains hum (Hence reason NOT to use 100 Hz subtone) this will bugger you up no end. i thank you for this bit -the repeater sites are all solar powered .one link site is battery powered with a charger off 240 volt and the other link is solar powered Just a few questions as starters and we can go from there :-) Cheers; Gareth Bennett Comme Engineer Electrix Ltd New Zealand HVDC link Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
thanks bradley any idea which cap i do have the circuit diagram Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: bradley glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14 November, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi If you have a look you can reduce the squelch delay by removing the electrolytic cap around the squelch circuit(hope you have a diagram for the rf platform.).I have done a similar squelch mod with the gm300.Reduces the delay but also increases the chance of falsing. Remember that the higher ctcss frequencies do reduse the decoding time. Regards Brad ZS5WT South Africa --- ian wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 13 November, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi Ian, What CTCSS freq are you using by the way, (I hope not 100 Hz?) actually yes .sounds like i better find another frequency I'd can the Back to back Rx CTCSS and that would speed up the link no end. What's the linking paths like between your main repeater and your two remote sites? reasonably good Your decode times are indeed excessive, also I wonder what breed is your mobile gear (Tait?) all tait t2010 rx and tx Icom for instance is VERY slow to decode CTCSS. What facilities do you have for test and measurement? Do you have a service monitor or at least a deviation meter and signal gen that can generate CTCSS frequency? yes waveteck service monitor 4031 How have you wired your back to back T2010's (Will they pass CTCSS witithout regeneration?) not sure below - S14-1 +13 vdc (switched) (could use S13-12 unswitched dc) S14-2+5 vdc S14-3 COS (+5v goes to 0 volts when active) S14-4 If you use CTCSS use this pin instead of S14-3. S14-6 PTT (0v = transmit ) (ground this pin for ptt) S13-3 Receiver audio line out S13-6 Transmitter audio line in S13-11 Ground i also have the s14-4 being used to switch the tx on all the sites this is being done via a 4n25 opto ic to drive a small pnp transistor to switch the tx on the transmitter i have wired the s13-3 via a audio level circuit to s13-6disk audio in the subtone filters are also enabled on each site Also what PSU are you running? If there is mains hum (Hence reason NOT to use 100 Hz subtone) this will bugger you up no end. i thank you for this bit -the repeater sites are all solar powered .one link site is battery powered with a charger off 240 volt and the other link is solar powered Just a few questions as starters and we can go from there :-) Cheers; Gareth Bennett Comme Engineer Electrix Ltd New Zealand HVDC link Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010
thanks gareth this repeater system is being setup as a community repeater (ie everyone can hear and talk to others on the channel.this is to keep the costs down .if the clients need total privacy they can go with scramblers).this is also to allow unlimited number of users on the system the tait transmitters on each repeater site are about to be replaced with maxon pm150 smx4450 radios as i have found they carn't keep the tx power up for long periods and each repeater site is powered by 2 x 80 watt solar panels with big deep cycle batteries i did think of connecting the link radios directly into between the rx radio and the tx radio on each repeater so when a signal is received both the link and transmitter is activated at the same time but i came up with a problem .when the repeater is active it would be too close to one of the link frequencies aprox 100 khz so i didn't go any futher that way i am going to inspect one site today and remove the linking ctcss control and hopefully set it up for carrier only and see how much of a improvement .i did feel this would give faster activation and because the beams are concertrated lines of site so interference is not as likely . i could initalize a point to point frequency between repeater sites but at 500 a link it is expensive .we were advise by aca to just use back to back as we own the repeater frequencies so it wouldn't cost anything extra to have linking sites Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14 November, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi again Ian, I have looked at your website as to gain more insight with your repeater network, and now understand more what you want to achieve. Below is for your info, and possibly how you could make best out of your situation. If I was in your position I would possibly do things differently... Add a repeater manager such as a CSI TP154 (Allowing you to utilise multiple CTCSS tones... And therefore control on individual clients, You can not disable CTCSS on a non paying client when they share the same CTCSS code as in a Community channel Bin the T2010's .. They are hungry on power (Especially in solar applications) And also are only Mobile's and therefore do not have the front end to cope in RF high fields If you can find Tait T345 /T346 Base station equipment, this per repeater only draws on standby about 70-80 mA ... Much easier on PV Arrays and batteries. Also this makes the T800 series look VERY Greedy :) It looks as if you have potential to link all your sites without Back to back linking ... (I know this saves bucks) ... Can you apply for a separate linking frequency for site A and B ? I don't know the rules in OZ compared in NZ but probably they are damn close!... If you can go from Master to A or Master to B directly, you can save two extra sites, gain more CONTROL and have a faster network. P.S. I know the Tait T300 series is old, but as yet there is nothing that will beat it when power consumption is added to the equation as well as selectivity. (This is crystal controlled gear). We can work on your existing network and make it better If I can use my knowledge to help, so much the better (Microwave links can be so damn boring :-) _ Gareth Bennett This e-mail is confidential, if you received this message in error, or you are not the intended recipient, please return it to the sender and destroy any copies. Thank you. - Original Message - From: ian wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Thank you Ian Wells Kerinvale Comaudio mail service 1017, Biloela,4715. www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 13 November, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait 2010 Hi Ian, What CTCSS freq are you using by the way, (I hope not 100 Hz?) actually yes .sounds like i better find another frequency I'd can the Back to back Rx CTCSS and that would speed up the link no end. What's the linking paths like between your main repeater and your two remote sites? reasonably good Your decode times are indeed excessive, also I wonder what breed is your mobile gear (Tait?) all tait t2010 rx and tx Icom for instance is VERY slow to decode CTCSS. What facilities do you have for test and measurement? Do you have a service monitor or at least a deviation meter and signal gen that can generate CTCSS frequency? yes waveteck service monitor 4031 How have you wired your
