Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-31 Thread Riccardo Cohen
I've read the description of ExpressWind, it seems really nice.
Thanks.

Michael Liao wrote:
> you can use express-wind to build rest url like "/user/1234"
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/express-me/wiki/ExpressWind
> 
> It uses Filter or Servlet to handle all requests and match your rest url like:
> 
> @Mapping("/user/$1")
> public void displayUser(int id) {
>...
> }
> 
> If you already have a struts / spring mvc app with *.do mapping, the
> url-rewrite-filter is the only choice.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Wesley Wu  wrote:
>> My filter handle the rewrite and parameter parsing, and dispatch to
>> according controller/action with a wrapped http request.
>> 1. user hit the url: /user/1354
>> 2. filter knows that user request the
>> UserController/UserServlet/UserAction/view-user.jsp with a param value 1354
>> (corresponding param should be the first pre-configed param, which should be
>> id)
>> 3. the filter wrap the http request to add param name/value pair (id=1354)
>> 4. (optional) call your Controller/Action for additional processing using
>> the wrapped request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)
>> 5. dispatch to /UserServlet or /view-user.jsp using the wrapped
>> request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)
>> 2009/10/31 
>>> And why is it that a servlet filter is "outside the application"? I
>>> consider it to be part of the application; it is simply a matter that
>>> those services are not provided directly by the framework used to
>>> implement the logic.
>>> Otherwise each framework would have to provide that capability.
>>>
>>> I have seen both approaches (Cocoon uses the later approach) and both
>>> have their strong/weak points.
>>>
>>> In any case, I don't think there's "a good answer and a bad one".
>>> S!
>>> D.
>>>
>>> S'està citant Riccardo Cohen :
>>>
 I understand your point of view : separate url management and
 application logic. It seems a good practice.

 In the same time this probably comes from the idea that search engine
 friendly urls are "added" to the application, which basically does not
 need it.
 On one hand it is true. The url "/user/name" is an alias of
 "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354" in a functionnal point of view.
 On the other hand, you may think of the SEF url as a request by itself,
 and the controller is in charge of handling requests, of any syntax. So
 if my controller parses the url "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354", why
 couldn't it parse the url "/user/name" instead directly ? This removes
 from the application one level of control and complexity .


 Am-I right ?


 Wesley Wu wrote:
> Not recommended.
>
> I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business
> logic.
>
> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  >
>
> Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
> Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
> processing directly into the controller servlet ?
>
> Wesley Wu wrote:
>  > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
>  >
>  > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads
> rewrite
> config
>  > from database.
>  >
>  > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  
>  >  >>
>  >
>  > Hello
>  >
>  > I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine
> friendly
>  > urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that
> there must be
>  > a set of  and  in conf
> and
> some
>  > url-dedicated servlets in the application.
>  >
>  > I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
>  > configuration to build SEF web sites.
>  >
>  > In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for
> java apps.
>  > (I use resin 3,2,0)
>  >
>  > Thanks a lot.
>  > --
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-31 Thread Michael Liao
you can use express-wind to build rest url like "/user/1234"

http://code.google.com/p/express-me/wiki/ExpressWind

It uses Filter or Servlet to handle all requests and match your rest url like:

@Mapping("/user/$1")
public void displayUser(int id) {
   ...
}

If you already have a struts / spring mvc app with *.do mapping, the
url-rewrite-filter is the only choice.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Wesley Wu  wrote:
> My filter handle the rewrite and parameter parsing, and dispatch to
> according controller/action with a wrapped http request.
> 1. user hit the url: /user/1354
> 2. filter knows that user request the
> UserController/UserServlet/UserAction/view-user.jsp with a param value 1354
> (corresponding param should be the first pre-configed param, which should be
> id)
> 3. the filter wrap the http request to add param name/value pair (id=1354)
> 4. (optional) call your Controller/Action for additional processing using
> the wrapped request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)
> 5. dispatch to /UserServlet or /view-user.jsp using the wrapped
> request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)
> 2009/10/31 
>>
>> And why is it that a servlet filter is "outside the application"? I
>> consider it to be part of the application; it is simply a matter that
>> those services are not provided directly by the framework used to
>> implement the logic.
>> Otherwise each framework would have to provide that capability.
>>
>> I have seen both approaches (Cocoon uses the later approach) and both
>> have their strong/weak points.
>>
>> In any case, I don't think there's "a good answer and a bad one".
>> S!
>> D.
>>
>> S'està citant Riccardo Cohen :
>>
>> > I understand your point of view : separate url management and
>> > application logic. It seems a good practice.
>> >
>> > In the same time this probably comes from the idea that search engine
>> > friendly urls are "added" to the application, which basically does not
>> > need it.
>> > On one hand it is true. The url "/user/name" is an alias of
>> > "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354" in a functionnal point of view.
>> > On the other hand, you may think of the SEF url as a request by itself,
>> > and the controller is in charge of handling requests, of any syntax. So
>> > if my controller parses the url "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354", why
>> > couldn't it parse the url "/user/name" instead directly ? This removes
>> > from the application one level of control and complexity .
>> >
>> >
>> > Am-I right ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Wesley Wu wrote:
>> >> Not recommended.
>> >>
>> >> I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business
>> >> logic.
>> >>
>> >> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen > >> >
>> >>
>> >>     Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
>> >>     Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
>> >>     processing directly into the controller servlet ?
>> >>
>> >>     Wesley Wu wrote:
>> >>      > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
>> >>      >
>> >>      > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads
>> >> rewrite
>> >>     config
>> >>      > from database.
>> >>      >
>> >>      > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen > >>     
>> >>      > > >>     >>
>> >>      >
>> >>      >     Hello
>> >>      >
>> >>      >     I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine
>> >>     friendly
>> >>      >     urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that
>> >>     there must be
>> >>      >     a set of  and  in conf
>> >> and
>> >>     some
>> >>      >     url-dedicated servlets in the application.
>> >>      >
>> >>      >     I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
>> >>      >     configuration to build SEF web sites.
>> >>      >
>> >>      >     In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for
>> >>     java apps.
>> >>      >     (I use resin 3,2,0)
>> >>      >
>> >>      >     Thanks a lot.
>> >>      >     --
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>> >>      >     Architecte du Logiciel
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-31 Thread Wesley Wu
My filter handle the rewrite and parameter parsing, and dispatch to
according controller/action with a wrapped http request.

1. user hit the url: /user/1354
2. filter knows that user request the
UserController/UserServlet/UserAction/view-user.jsp with a param value 1354
(corresponding param should be the first pre-configed param, which should be
id)
3. the filter wrap the http request to add param name/value pair (id=1354)
4. (optional) call your Controller/Action for additional processing using
the wrapped request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)
5. dispatch to /UserServlet or /view-user.jsp using the wrapped
request(probably a wrapped response for gzip/caching purpose)

2009/10/31 

> And why is it that a servlet filter is "outside the application"? I
> consider it to be part of the application; it is simply a matter that
> those services are not provided directly by the framework used to
> implement the logic.
> Otherwise each framework would have to provide that capability.
>
> I have seen both approaches (Cocoon uses the later approach) and both
> have their strong/weak points.
>
> In any case, I don't think there's "a good answer and a bad one".
> S!
> D.
>
> S'està citant Riccardo Cohen :
>
> > I understand your point of view : separate url management and
> > application logic. It seems a good practice.
> >
> > In the same time this probably comes from the idea that search engine
> > friendly urls are "added" to the application, which basically does not
> > need it.
> > On one hand it is true. The url "/user/name" is an alias of
> > "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354" in a functionnal point of view.
> > On the other hand, you may think of the SEF url as a request by itself,
> > and the controller is in charge of handling requests, of any syntax. So
> > if my controller parses the url "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354", why
> > couldn't it parse the url "/user/name" instead directly ? This removes
> > from the application one level of control and complexity .
> >
> >
> > Am-I right ?
> >
> >
> > Wesley Wu wrote:
> >> Not recommended.
> >>
> >> I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business
> logic.
> >>
> >> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
> >> Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
> >> processing directly into the controller servlet ?
> >>
> >> Wesley Wu wrote:
> >>  > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
> >>  >
> >>  > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite
> >> config
> >>  > from database.
> >>  >
> >>  > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  >> 
> >>  >  >> >>
> >>  >
> >>  > Hello
> >>  >
> >>  > I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine
> >> friendly
> >>  > urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that
> >> there must be
> >>  > a set of  and  in conf and
> >> some
> >>  > url-dedicated servlets in the application.
> >>  >
> >>  > I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
> >>  > configuration to build SEF web sites.
> >>  >
> >>  > In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for
> >> java apps.
> >>  > (I use resin 3,2,0)
> >>  >
> >>  > Thanks a lot.
> >>  > --
> >>  > Riccardo Cohen
> >>  > Architecte du Logiciel
> >>  > http://www.architectedulogiciel.fr
> >>  > +33 (0)6.09.83.64.49
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-31 Thread d . lopez
And why is it that a servlet filter is "outside the application"? I  
consider it to be part of the application; it is simply a matter that  
those services are not provided directly by the framework used to  
implement the logic.
Otherwise each framework would have to provide that capability.

I have seen both approaches (Cocoon uses the later approach) and both  
have their strong/weak points.

In any case, I don't think there's "a good answer and a bad one".
S!
D.

S'està citant Riccardo Cohen :

> I understand your point of view : separate url management and
> application logic. It seems a good practice.
>
> In the same time this probably comes from the idea that search engine
> friendly urls are "added" to the application, which basically does not
> need it.
> On one hand it is true. The url "/user/name" is an alias of
> "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354" in a functionnal point of view.
> On the other hand, you may think of the SEF url as a request by itself,
> and the controller is in charge of handling requests, of any syntax. So
> if my controller parses the url "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354", why
> couldn't it parse the url "/user/name" instead directly ? This removes
> from the application one level of control and complexity .
>
>
> Am-I right ?
>
>
> Wesley Wu wrote:
>> Not recommended.
>>
>> I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business logic.
>>
>> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen > >
>>
>> Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
>> Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
>> processing directly into the controller servlet ?
>>
>> Wesley Wu wrote:
>>  > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
>>  >
>>  > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite
>> config
>>  > from database.
>>  >
>>  > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen > 
>>  > > >>
>>  >
>>  > Hello
>>  >
>>  > I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine
>> friendly
>>  > urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that
>> there must be
>>  > a set of  and  in conf and
>> some
>>  > url-dedicated servlets in the application.
>>  >
>>  > I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
>>  > configuration to build SEF web sites.
>>  >
>>  > In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for
>> java apps.
>>  > (I use resin 3,2,0)
>>  >
>>  > Thanks a lot.
>>  > --
>>  > Riccardo Cohen
>>  > Architecte du Logiciel
>>  > http://www.architectedulogiciel.fr
>>  > +33 (0)6.09.83.64.49
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-30 Thread Riccardo Cohen
I understand your point of view : separate url management and 
application logic. It seems a good practice.

In the same time this probably comes from the idea that search engine 
friendly urls are "added" to the application, which basically does not 
need it.
On one hand it is true. The url "/user/name" is an alias of 
"/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354" in a functionnal point of view.
On the other hand, you may think of the SEF url as a request by itself, 
and the controller is in charge of handling requests, of any syntax. So 
if my controller parses the url "/servlet?command=showuser&id=1354", why 
couldn't it parse the url "/user/name" instead directly ? This removes 
from the application one level of control and complexity .


Am-I right ?


Wesley Wu wrote:
> Not recommended.
> 
> I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business logic.
> 
> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  >
> 
> Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
> Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
> processing directly into the controller servlet ?
> 
> Wesley Wu wrote:
>  > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
>  >
>  > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite
> config
>  > from database.
>  >
>  > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  
>  >  >>
>  >
>  > Hello
>  >
>  > I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine
> friendly
>  > urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that
> there must be
>  > a set of  and  in conf and
> some
>  > url-dedicated servlets in the application.
>  >
>  > I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
>  > configuration to build SEF web sites.
>  >
>  > In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for
> java apps.
>  > (I use resin 3,2,0)
>  >
>  > Thanks a lot.
>  > --
>  > Riccardo Cohen
>  > Architecte du Logiciel
>  > http://www.architectedulogiciel.fr
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-30 Thread Wesley Wu
Not recommended.

I think filter should handle this, which is not relative to business logic.

2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen 

> Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
> Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url
> processing directly into the controller servlet ?
>
> Wesley Wu wrote:
> > You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
> >
> > I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite config
> > from database.
> >
> > 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  > >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine friendly
> > urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that there must
> be
> > a set of  and  in conf and some
> > url-dedicated servlets in the application.
> >
> > I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
> > configuration to build SEF web sites.
> >
> > In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for java apps.
> > (I use resin 3,2,0)
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> > --
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-30 Thread Riccardo Cohen
Thanks Wesley I'll try to use filter.
Now in term of performance, isn't it better to integrate the url 
processing directly into the controller servlet ?

Wesley Wu wrote:
> You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.
> 
> I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite config 
> from database.
> 
> 2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen  >
> 
> Hello
> 
> I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine friendly
> urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that there must be
> a set of  and  in conf and some
> url-dedicated servlets in the application.
> 
> I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
> configuration to build SEF web sites.
> 
> In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for java apps.
> (I use resin 3,2,0)
> 
> Thanks a lot.
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Re: [Resin-interest] url rewriting / search engine friendly

2009-10-30 Thread Wesley Wu
You may use http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/ UrlRewriteFilter.

I wrote a similar filter doing the same thing which loads rewrite config
from database.

2009/10/30 Riccardo Cohen 

> Hello
>
> I didn't have yet the opportunity to work with search engine friendly
> urls with resin (I did it with apache/php). I suppose that there must be
> a set of  and  in conf and some
> url-dedicated servlets in the application.
>
> I wonder if there is any kind of "good practice" with resin
> configuration to build SEF web sites.
>
> In the wiki I found rewrite rules for php CMS, but not for java apps.
> (I use resin 3,2,0)
>
> Thanks a lot.
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