Re: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Jacco I didn't actually use these cif files for my simulations, I entered the data by hand (including fractions where the software would take it). :-) The cif data is just there for other people's convenience - different powder software like different cif file formats anyhow. In any case, if

Re: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Hewat Alan
The cell is in space group P3112 There aren't even any structures with this space group in the ICSD (not even the other enantiomorph P3212) Hmm, I found 24 entries in ICSD for P3122, especially minerals such as Muscovite 3T but also things like V6C5 and Ag2HPO4 but not Li3MnNiCoO6 Cenzual,

Re: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Alan I agree - I found them as well, but this particular P3112/P3212 group is very rare. Given that software tends to deal with space group interpretation on a case-by-case basis it does mean that problems can be specific to a particular group - especially if it hasn't been tested before. Some

Re: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Pam, I hope that when you used GSAS you entered (as per instructions) p 31 1 2 and not p3112. Bob R.B. Von Dreele IPNS Division Argonne National Laboratory Argonne, IL 60439-4814 -Original Message- From: Whitfield, Pamela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:50

Re: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Bob I did indeed - I tried GSAS and it behaves itself. Pam Dr Pamela Whitfield CChem MRSC Energy Materials Group Institute for Chemical Process and Environmental Technology Building M12 National Research Council Canada 1200 Montreal Road Ottawa ON K1A 0R6 CANADA Tel: (613) 998 8462

RE: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread alan coelho
Pam, As a developer and someone who uses other software to test against, I have been following the discussion with interest. This is a complex area and it goes to show the importance of having a few programs if only for testing purposes. I am puzzled by your cif data however as I cant get past

RE: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
AlanI'm afraid that the cif files weren't overly good ones - I don't normally use them. For the R-3m the Li 1/2 fractional coordinate is for the z, not y. The structures are related by a Ö3a x Ö3a relationship with Z = 3 for the R-3m and Z = 9 for the P3112.Here are the STR files. You can

RE: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Alan, One of your operators is a typo. -x+y, y, -z+1/3 should be Y-X Y 1/3-Z Bob From: alan coelho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/18/2004 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pam, As a developer and someone who uses other software to test

RE: troublesome unit cell

2004-10-18 Thread alan coelho
Title: Message Pam, If the other programs are in error at the hkl stage then my suggestion is to send the hkls from the apparently working programs to the authors of the apparently not working programs. Or better yet those authors should contact you as I for one am always on the look