Re: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Reinhard Kleeberg
Periclase is really problematic because of the small number of peaks in the usual angular range used for QPA with Cu or Co radiation. Thus, the particle statistics problem becomes extremely critic, as Pamela already said. The uncertainties can be compared with the statistical intensity errors

Re: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
Hi, I really wonder why do you bother about 1% difference when the error of the method (XRD, quantitative phase analysis) could reach 10% (absolute) ... People in the discussions appearing here seem to forget about two things: i) quantitative phase analysis done by rietveld method is always

Re: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Reinhard Kleeberg
Hi Lubo, the difference between 6 and 7 % MgO is bigger than 15 % relatively, thus the error by wrong re-scaling (e.g. if 10 % amorphous are missing) is smaller than the error discussed. And, if the true content of periclase should be about 5 %, than a measured value of 7 % is worth to be

RE: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Hi Reinhard Saying the words amorphous content and cement in the same breath is heresy in many circles! Personally I think that it's a case of 'see no evil, hear no evil'! Anyway, many moons ago we did yet another study on the amorphous content in clinkers/cements and they can vary alot - we

RE: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Another little nugget of information to chew on. My other half (who just happens to be a cement chemist and the reason I've worked on this 'orrible stuff!) tells me that most cement kilns have moved to forced air cooling of the clinker these days - one of the effects apparently is a reduced

Re: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Reinhard Kleeberg
Hi Pam, maybe a misunderstanding: I did not try to discuss the amount of amorphous material in cements. I'm aware of the problem, but a careful Rietveld analysis with an internal standard should be able to determine at least the magnitude of the amorphous part. Even if not (e.g. if profile

RE: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Hi Rheinhard The comments weren't aimed at you in particular! We've been banging our heads against a brick wall about this stuff for some time, but not many in the cement community seem to be listening. Anyway - there is a fundamental statistics problem with quantifying minor phases (of any

RE: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
Hi all, This is an interesting discussion of quantitative phase analysis. It sounds to me from what Pam is saying that we can calculate an esd for each phase if we know its particle size, and that the relative error would be larger for phases in smaller abundance. If this is correct, then

RE: RES: ADS

2008-05-30 Thread Whitfield, Pamela
Interesting thought and probably worth following up, although it sounds like a meticulous and possibly time-consuming study for someone or other - any volunteers? :-) Following Deane Smith's methodology you should be able to calculate the number of diffracting crystallites per phase for