Re: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
Hi Lubo, if we speak of diffraction, we have a Fourier transformation, so we are not 100% in the direct space with any structure solution method. However, the "structure solution in direct space" does not attempt to work in the reciprocal space - all the manipulations are done in the direct

RE: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Ian.Madsen
Hhmmm. A method which uses a model to calculate a diffraction pattern which is compared with observed data and the difference minimised by refining some parameters. Then restarting the process by randomly shuffling some parameters. I propose RRWAS - Rietveld Refinement With Atom Shuffling. Or

structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
Hi, I feel I have a problem with terminology. What's the right nickname for the method of structure solution from powders, which instead of analyzing electron (nuclear) density shuffles atoms or molecules around a cell and compares experimental and calculated patterns ? It could be well used

RE: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Peter Y. Zavalij
How about "reciprocal methods" as opposite to "direct methods" which work in reciprocal space? Peter __ Peter Zavalij Director, X-ray Crystallographic Center University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 http:/www.chem.umd.edu/crystallography

Re: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
OK, But I am sure that any deciphering is a systematic rather than a random process. I can however agree that when such a systematic process is fueled by drinks, some random mental leaps might play a role. This fact, unfortunately, does not help in solving this terminology problem - at least

Re: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>What's the right nickname for the method of structure solution from powders In Russian we use an equivalent to 'structure decipher'. Sometimes, however, this is really 'structure solution' when we apply vodka in the process ;) *** Leonid A.

Re: structure solution terminology

2015-12-16 Thread Joachim Breternitz
Hi Stressing the fact that these methods circumvent the phase problem by more or less randomly shuffling atoms rather than trying to solve it from scratch, maybe "reverse methods" would be an appropriate term, comparably to reverse engineering. Best Wishes, Joachim. Peter Y. Zavalij