RE: Politics-RE: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
If I were on Facebook I would say Like it. I add my thanks too. Radovan Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm -Message d'origine- De : rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] De la part de Lubomir Smrcok Envoyé : vendredi 12 juin 2015 07:12 À : chenhh Cc : rietveld_l@ill.fr Objet : Re: Politics-RE: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook Thanks for adding just this comment ! While reading it I have realized that the group is mostly populated by people who have either never experienced open censoring of their communication (OK, some big brothering is everywhere) or have already forgotten those times (Eastern Europe). Your opinion must be taken into account very seriously when thinking of face-booking of this group. Best, Lubo On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, chenhh wrote: Hello! After finishing so many excellent discussion, I think a trivial appeared but serious indeed problem is omitted. That is politics. In fact, Facebook, Youtube,and even Google load or cover many contents forbidden by some countries, so the goverments stop their people to visit the whole sites though they also know there are still many useful things on them, but they can't support the selection of the so called good things for their people . Of course, the managers of the above sites also reject to filter the contens forbidden by the country law. So I think at least the maillist is better now but not Facebook or other so called freestates, unless you want to set up a site only for USA,UK and some other countries. well, if so, I think it is Rietveld group of the WEST, but not Rietveld group of the WORLD, :)) Dr.Haohong Chen Shanghai Institute of Ceramics CAS P.R.China === 2015-06-11 19:29:00 === Well, Strictly speaking, you are wasting your time in (formally) two different ways :-) And you shouldn't forget to tweet about it and to take a selfie while typing. Lubo On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Cline, James Dr. wrote: Not a great deal of difference between these entities, IMHO. Jim James P. Cline Materials Measurement Science Division National Institute of Standards and Technology 100 Bureau Dr. stop 8520 [ B113 / Bldg 217 ] Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8523USA jcl...@nist.gov (301) 975 5793 FAX (301) 975 5334 From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Darren Broom Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:17 AM To: Young Lindsay Kay; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook On a related note, with regard to accessing Facebook at work, I generally only use it to keep in touch with friends; and I try to avoid mixing the two. I'm sure I'm not alone in doing this. For work-related activities, etc, I tend to use LinkedIn. Best regards, Darren -Original Message- From: lindsay.yo...@rockets.utoledo.edu Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:40:31 + To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook As one of the younger members of the list, I would like to add a few points. I may never have found this list on my own if my advisor was not kind enough to point it out to me. I have never seen a mailing list before in my life :) To that end social media outlets may be helpful for newcomers. But I am very happy to be a member and will gladly learn/join whatever format is chosen. So many people helped me get to where I am today by kindly answering my basic questions that I feel obligated to do the same for other newcomers. I strongly believe in open-mindedness toward the new. Regardless, I think that social media may be most useful for publicity and outreach if we wish to seek out new members, but I don't think social media formats are friendly to discussion. Facebook's format, for example, would not allow for easy archiving of replies and they would easily become buried as time passed. Another problem with social media is that for those who are at work or school, being seen on facebook or other social media may be forbidden if not frowned upon, even if they were being honestly productive. I agree that fewer streams of consciousness are preferable. If we wish to move at all, I propose that a forum format may be the best for consideration? From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr on behalf of Daxu Liu daxu...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:06 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
Re: Politics-RE: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
Thanks for adding just this comment ! While reading it I have realized that the group is mostly populated by people who have either never experienced open censoring of their communication (OK, some big brothering is everywhere) or have already forgotten those times (Eastern Europe). Your opinion must be taken into account very seriously when thinking of face-booking of this group. Best, Lubo On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, chenhh wrote: Hello! After finishing so many excellent discussion, I think a trivial appeared but serious indeed problem is omitted. That is politics. In fact, Facebook, Youtube,and even Google load or cover many contents forbidden by some countries, so the goverments stop their people to visit the whole sites though they also know there are still many useful things on them, but they can't support the selection of the so called good things for their people . Of course, the managers of the above sites also reject to filter the contens forbidden by the country law. So I think at least the maillist is better now but not Facebook or other so called freestates, unless you want to set up a site only for USA,UK and some other countries. well, if so, I think it is Rietveld group of the WEST, but not Rietveld group of the WORLD, :)) Dr.Haohong Chen Shanghai Institute of Ceramics CAS P.R.China === 2015-06-11 19:29:00 === Well, Strictly speaking, you are wasting your time in (formally) two different ways :-) And you shouldn't forget to tweet about it and to take a selfie while typing. Lubo On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Cline, James Dr. wrote: Not a great deal of difference between these entities, IMHO. Jim James P. Cline Materials Measurement Science Division National Institute of Standards and Technology 100 Bureau Dr. stop 8520 [ B113 / Bldg 217 ] Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8523USA jcl...@nist.gov (301) 975 5793 FAX (301) 975 5334 From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Darren Broom Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:17 AM To: Young Lindsay Kay; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook On a related note, with regard to accessing Facebook at work, I generally only use it to keep in touch with friends; and I try to avoid mixing the two. I'm sure I'm not alone in doing this. For work-related activities, etc, I tend to use LinkedIn. Best regards, Darren -Original Message- From: lindsay.yo...@rockets.utoledo.edu Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:40:31 + To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook As one of the younger members of the list, I would like to add a few points. I may never have found this list on my own if my advisor was not kind enough to point it out to me. I have never seen a mailing list before in my life :) To that end social media outlets may be helpful for newcomers. But I am very happy to be a member and will gladly learn/join whatever format is chosen. So many people helped me get to where I am today by kindly answering my basic questions that I feel obligated to do the same for other newcomers. I strongly believe in open-mindedness toward the new. Regardless, I think that social media may be most useful for publicity and outreach if we wish to seek out new members, but I don't think social media formats are friendly to discussion. Facebook's format, for example, would not allow for easy archiving of replies and they would easily become buried as time passed. Another problem with social media is that for those who are at work or school, being seen on facebook or other social media may be forbidden if not frowned upon, even if they were being honestly productive. I agree that fewer streams of consciousness are preferable. If we wish to move at all, I propose that a forum format may be the best for consideration? From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr on behalf of Daxu Liu daxu...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:06 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook Dear prof. Suescun, I agree with you, and I have written to you some times ago. You do be an enthusiastic and generous man. Thank you very much! Yes, many beginners do ask lots of basic points on crystallography and some basic steps on how to use some refinement programmes, and I was one of them. However, someone has no choice to ask someone for help because he/she maybe study oneself, and crystallography is not his/her major. I was crazy on the Rietveld method in the past just for the interest, and I had to write to some people for help because I can not solve some problems even after I searched the answers in Google or other search engines. I am very appreciated for those people who helped me like you and Dr. Toby, Brian H., and Dr. Rodriguez-Carvajal, J. and other
Politics-RE: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
Hello! After finishing so many excellent discussion, I think a trivial appeared but serious indeed problem is omitted. That is politics. In fact, Facebook, Youtube,and even Google load or cover many contents forbidden by some countries, so the goverments stop their people to visit the whole sites though they also know there are still many useful things on them, but they can't support the selection of the so called good things for their people . Of course, the managers of the above sites also reject to filter the contens forbidden by the country law. So I think at least the maillist is better now but not Facebook or other so called freestates, unless you want to set up a site only for USA,UK and some other countries. well, if so, I think it is Rietveld group of the WEST, but not Rietveld group of the WORLD, :)) Dr.Haohong Chen Shanghai Institute of Ceramics CAS P.R.China === 2015-06-11 19:29:00 您在来信中写道：=== Well, Strictly speaking, you are wasting your time in (formally) two different ways :-) And you shouldn't forget to tweet about it and to take a selfie while typing. Lubo On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Cline, James Dr. wrote: Not a great deal of difference between these entities, IMHO. Jim James P. Cline Materials Measurement Science Division National Institute of Standards and Technology 100 Bureau Dr. stop 8520 [ B113 / Bldg 217 ] Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8523USA jcl...@nist.gov (301) 975 5793 FAX (301) 975 5334 From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Darren Broom Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:17 AM To: Young Lindsay Kay; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook On a related note, with regard to accessing Facebook at work, I generally only use it to keep in touch with friends; and I try to avoid mixing the two. I'm sure I'm not alone in doing this. For work-related activities, etc, I tend to use LinkedIn. Best regards, Darren -Original Message- From: lindsay.yo...@rockets.utoledo.edu Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:40:31 + To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook As one of the younger members of the list, I would like to add a few points. I may never have found this list on my own if my advisor was not kind enough to point it out to me. I have never seen a mailing list before in my life :) To that end social media outlets may be helpful for newcomers. But I am very happy to be a member and will gladly learn/join whatever format is chosen. So many people helped me get to where I am today by kindly answering my basic questions that I feel obligated to do the same for other newcomers. I strongly believe in open-mindedness toward the new. Regardless, I think that social media may be most useful for publicity and outreach if we wish to seek out new members, but I don't think social media formats are friendly to discussion. Facebook's format, for example, would not allow for easy archiving of replies and they would easily become buried as time passed. Another problem with social media is that for those who are at work or school, being seen on facebook or other social media may be forbidden if not frowned upon, even if they were being honestly productive. I agree that fewer streams of consciousness are preferable. If we wish to move at all, I propose that a forum format may be the best for consideration? From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr on behalf of Daxu Liu daxu...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:06 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook Dear prof. Suescun, I agree with you, and I have written to you some times ago. You do be an enthusiastic and generous man. Thank you very much! Yes, many beginners do ask lots of basic points on crystallography and some basic steps on how to use some refinement programmes, and I was one of them. However, someone has no choice to ask someone for help because he/she maybe study oneself, and crystallography is not his/her major. I was crazy on the Rietveld method in the past just for the interest, and I had to write to some people for help because I can not solve some problems even after I searched the answers in Google or other search engines. I am very appreciated for those people who helped me like you and Dr. Toby, Brian H., and Dr. Rodriguez-Carvajal, J. and other respectable and kind people. I have studied the Rietveld method for eight years myself through the web and reading some books, and I have published few papers on it, which are colsely related to my research areas. In a word, I feel, if you know about it and have spare time, it will be possible to encourage and help someone greatly when you answer his or her
