Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
That will only work if programs adhere to UX guidelines. 15.11.2018 13:30 tarihinde Dick yazdı: > i think the chance ereactos has is to develop accessibility as part of > the os instead of depending on a screenreader. when reactos does all > accessibillity stuff itself it can make things

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Dick
i think the chance ereactos has is to develop accessibility as part of the os instead of depending on a screenreader. when reactos does all accessibillity stuff itself it can make things accessibel that are not accessibel with screenreaders because the accessibility is built into the os

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Stefan, I know the aim of ReactOS. However, Windows XP setup lacks accessibility and this is a new functionality to ReactOS. Hence no compatibility issues. In addition, you cannot use ReactOS setup to install Windows XP nor vice versa. 15.11.2018 13:05 tarihinde Stefan L. yazdı: > Hi, > > you

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Stefan L.
Hi, you might want to take a look at the goal of ReactOS again. Out current focus should target that goal. Writing screenreader stuff should be the same task and use exactly the same OS functions as in Windows. Thus, develop screen readers for Windows (possibly replacing / extending windows' gui

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Windows NT console API is based on Matrix TUI concept, not TTY serial (means you get to handle line buffering yourself). However, unlike userspace, we can modify setup however we like as long as it has the desired end result. Yours, faithfully Erkin Alp

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-15 Thread Dick
why not just run brltty driver in the boot process? when installer is textmode the only thing would be it has to be able to detect the usb/serial braille display ___ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
assume all 8 dots may be input or > output over the single channels most compilers support. > > -- Original message-- > *From: *Erkin Alp Güney > *Date: *Thu, Nov 15, 2018 1:04 AM > *To: *ros-dev@reactos.org; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*Re: [ros-dev] no replies about

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread M. Ziggyesque
I'm not saying it isn't possible to support the hardware, just I have not seen any pre-boot environment that the installer might need to communicate with attempt to provide this support, so it is also available to whatever gets installed, after reboot. The installer may be fine using only 6-dot

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Braille will not be output by GPU, it will be output by CPU onto either USB or serial Braille bumper. Two different output channels may use two different codepages. If they were somewhat dependent as in multi-monitor situation, you would need to drive both via GPU. However they are independent

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread M. Ziggyesque
The console itself is still a graphical user mode app; it or a DOS box simply uses a DefConsoleProc (sic) instead of DefWindowProc behind the scenes to manage the GUI aspects and system menu, and may use an OEM code page instead of an ANSI one in full screen mode. Windows may eventually be able

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Magnus Johnsson
Interesting! So I was *completely* wrong ;). How would *you* go about making the installer accessible? Den ons 14 nov. 2018 kl 19:10 skrev Erkin Alp Güney : > WINE's accessibility stuff is handled by underlying desktop's UI kit, > not by WINE itself. > > 14.11.2018 17:51 tarihinde Magnus

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
WINE's accessibility stuff is handled by underlying desktop's UI kit, not by WINE itself. 14.11.2018 17:51 tarihinde Magnus Johnsson yazdı: > Jumping in here with a quick reply as a *lurker*, not a developer: > > Don't think anyone would mind if you supplied patches :). You have to > understand,

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Dick
why not? i am not a programmer myself, but maybe there is a workaround(emulating graphics mode but not displaying them for example), maybe things that are not possible in microsoft windows can be made possible in the windows-environment reactos creates On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Javier Agustìn

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
You can if you implement a Win32 to console translator. Nothing is impossible. 14.11.2018 20:13 tarihinde Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo yazdı: > This is not Linux, Windows software can NOT run with no graphics ;) > ___ Ros-dev mailing list

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
This is not Linux, Windows software can NOT run with no graphics ;) El mié., 14 nov. 2018 17:36, Dick escribió: > of course, you are right. but like in linux, much software can be ran > headless without graphics. > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Erkin Alp Güney wrote: > > >> the main problem of

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Dick
of course, you are right. but like in linux, much software can be ran headless without graphics. On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Erkin Alp Güney wrote: the main problem of screenreaders is they have to find out what developers had done to make an app accessible. for example, when a screenreader give

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
> the main problem of screenreaders is they have to find out what > developers had done to make an app accessible. for example, when a > screenreader give access to firefox version 40 that same version will > probably run into problems when running version 60, the screen reader > needs to be

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Dick
Hi magnus, unfortunately this is not how screenreaders work. screenreaders rely on accessibility libraries built into the operating system. running a windows screenreader in linux will not work, you need to use orc(the linux screenreader). fortunately some realy helpfull packages are already

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
The installer itself needs to be accessible enough. WINE does not use a Windows style installer by itself. 14.11.2018 17:51 tarihinde Magnus Johnsson yazdı: > Jumping in here with a quick reply as a *lurker*, not a developer: > > Don't think anyone would mind if you supplied patches :). You have

Re: [ros-dev] no replies about making reactos accessible for the blind

2018-11-14 Thread Magnus Johnsson
Jumping in here with a quick reply as a *lurker*, not a developer: Don't think anyone would mind if you supplied patches :). You have to understand, with people still working on kernel things, making applications actually work, stop crashing, hardware support... Most that would interface with