Re: [Rosegarden-user] Printing & staff formatting suggestions
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:15:54 -0400 David Tisdell wrote: > Rosegarden uses Lilypond for printing. You should be able to print directly > from Rosegarden as long as Lilypond is installed. I use Suse as well. I > seem to remember needng to manually install lilypond with a script because > i had trouble finding an rpm for suse but it wasn't a big deal. BTW which suse are you using (I'm on 12.1) & how did you get rosegarden to make a sound? I just installed Musix-2.0 which is OK buty if I have to boot a studio system just for rosegarden than I might as well boot windows & be able to do other things while waiting for inspiration instead of perspiration :-) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Printing & staff formatting suggestions
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:15:54 -0400 David Tisdell wrote: > Rosegarden uses Lilypond for printing. You should be able to print directly > from Rosegarden as long as Lilypond is installed. I use Suse as well. I > seem to remember needng to manually install lilypond with a script because > i had trouble finding an rpm for suse but it wasn't a big deal. The Suse 2.12.3-8.9 rpm was installed, even updated 2.15.42-6 but every attempt to print with either crashed. So I installed the source 2.16.0-1 from the project site and it's printing ok. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012, Jim Cochrane wrote: > As most (probably everyone) on this list knows, the main > transition at > this point is from the "desktop" (GUI on a PC - Windows for > most > people, but also OSX and Linux) to either or both of: > > - mobile/tablet-based apps, most of which make heavy > use of web > and/or internet connections. > > - web-based applications, where the main characters > are the "browser" > and a web server, a group of web-servers, > and/or "cloud-centric" > systems (which, perhaps, is a synonym for > "group of web-servers"). > > For both of these options, most of the work will be done on > servers on > the web and the user's "computer" will be mainly a client > making use of > services running on these servers. I have seen enough to say that, sure, there is some changes. But most of them are the numerous companies trying to one-up each other with so claimed "innovation". Just happens those things are new code base with little testing, trying to claim "first to market". So the users are guinea pigs. The *buntu distros are also dumbing down the user experience the same way Windows, Macs, Cell phones are. They claim to make things simple for the users. I'd say they want to keep the users from knowing too much, and that there are other ways of doing things, not just what presented by the GUI. The software industry have had many server-centric, then PC-centric, now back to server-centric (cloud, web-apps...) They are just the companies to sell new softwares along with suport and service contracts... churning the market for new revenues. Abandoned softwares need support contracts, or migration cost of developing for the "newest trend today". Sure the cell phone and tablet with wireless capabilities add a little bit more to the flexibilities, but again, they are driven by large software companies's drumming up of new revenue sources. > In the meantime we are stuck with these painful > transitional > technologies, such as GNOME 3 and Ubuntu's Unity, which to > many people > seem like (and perhaps are) monstrosities. I don't > think the Linux > world is alone in being affected by these transitional pains > - many > people are wondering what the fuck they are going to do when > Windows 8 > (or Metro, or whatever-the-fuck it's being called now) comes > out. No we don't have to stick with the new "default desktop" or default GUI the *buntu chose to use. You can install any other desktops and use that. You don't have to stick with the PulseAudio, you can disable it, or uninstall it. If that's too much work to fight the current within the distro, perhaps switch to a more customizable distro is less of a hassle in the long run. Just as many of us abandoned Windows because they have made it hell to back up and restore the OS to/from bare hard drive. And with the Knoppix liveCd of a dozen years or so ago, it's a whole new world of simpler data recovery, and installation of Linux. We can decide what we use, not what they try force us to use. The more we learn the underlying components that make up our system and tools available, the better we are to make the computer work the way we want. Not how they want us to do, their way. I have seen enough of the churning changes. Unity is only available on *buntu, because none of the other distros care about it at the moment. I will stick with what works and not be guinea pigs. Thanks, but no thanks. > And the true-geek will be > able to use > their pain to direct themselves to a workable, perhaps > partly-hacked-together, solution. But the pseudo geek > will likely have > the demands to insist on something better than what's > available, but > not the skills to whip something up that will fulfill what > they need. > Result: mucho pain. Well so-called true geeks are just people who believe they have seen enough to know that Linux/Unix can be customized however they want. They are not the know-it-all either. They spent long hours to learn how things are done and replicated those scripts and programs, learning from open-source code available to them. I simply say that the "geeks" are just determined to get it done be cause they it can be done. Pseuodo geeks are either newbies, or wannabe's who haven't spent time to learn how things work, or are afraid of spending time to learn. Most people who have spent time to learn how to get jackd/qjackctl, fluidsynth/qsynth, rosegarden, MIDI working on a low-latency Linux kernel is a Linux MIDI geek already. Perhaps not a Linux sys-admin geek, or Bash script geek, Perl geek, Python geek... It's just a matter of how much one really wants to learn, and spent the appropriate time to learn, that's all. The other side of that is ignorance. Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and thr
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Printing & staff formatting suggestions
Rosegarden uses Lilypond for printing. You should be able to print directly from Rosegarden as long as Lilypond is installed. I use Suse as well. I seem to remember needng to manually install lilypond with a script because i had trouble finding an rpm for suse but it wasn't a big deal. Dave On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM, wrote: > > > LillyPond sounds like something really nice, I say sounds like because I > haven't been able to print with it yet, or even see a print-preview. I've > just installed Musix-2.0, I'm next going to set up the printing on it (wifi > net printer). > > When LillyPond is buggy or missing maybe a simpler other than lillypond > print would suffice. It's a real pain to have to do captures and then load > them into gimp for even rudimentary printing. > > The score formatting really should give the composer the option to > add/remove measures AND more importantly decide which measures will go on > which line (often to follow lyrics for example). I can also think of a > situatiion when I may want to later add guitar tabs, so there I would want > to control spacing as well as the number of lines to the page to leave room > between them. > > Ditto for the indenting, it seems to be a thing of the past in writing > anyway so maybe options are needed? > > > > > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Printing & staff formatting suggestions
LillyPond sounds like something really nice, I say sounds like because I haven't been able to print with it yet, or even see a print-preview. I've just installed Musix-2.0, I'm next going to set up the printing on it (wifi net printer). When LillyPond is buggy or missing maybe a simpler other than lillypond print would suffice. It's a real pain to have to do captures and then load them into gimp for even rudimentary printing. The score formatting really should give the composer the option to add/remove measures AND more importantly decide which measures will go on which line (often to follow lyrics for example). I can also think of a situatiion when I may want to later add guitar tabs, so there I would want to control spacing as well as the number of lines to the page to leave room between them. Ditto for the indenting, it seems to be a thing of the past in writing anyway so maybe options are needed? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
Hi > IMO, the IT world is in a major transition period Actually I think we're in a major cloud-bloviation period. Sure it has its place but I expect it to be a parallel option to desktops, not a replacement. It's a kind of IT Lite for those with several lightweight devices who don't really need the power of a modern computer. There are always going to be security issues handing your data over to someone else and of course the obvious one of how do you get any work done when the network is down. Desktops are cheap and highly modifiable and will last for as long as people have desks to put them on. Noel PS: for a highly tweakable system with an excellent package manager I recommend gentoo and http://www.aperiplus.co.uk/downloads/gentool.htm. Bootable backups take all the pain out of upgrades. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:08:36 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: > I'm writing from GMail in a web browser. I hate using a web browser > for email, and have been using KMail for over 10 years. I love KMail. > > So somewhere after midnight I got the upgrade notification thing from > my running Kubuntu 10.04 LTS that 12.04.1 was available. Interesting. > That's the first time in years I've actually gotten one of those > notifications. IMO, the IT world is in a major transition period, which started somewhere around 4 years ago (probably with the iphone), and will continue until, perhaps, somewhere between 2016 and 2020. (Hopefully, it will not extend much beyond that - otherwise, it will be more painful than some can bear.) As most (probably everyone) on this list knows, the main transition at this point is from the "desktop" (GUI on a PC - Windows for most people, but also OSX and Linux) to either or both of: - mobile/tablet-based apps, most of which make heavy use of web and/or internet connections. - web-based applications, where the main characters are the "browser" and a web server, a group of web-servers, and/or "cloud-centric" systems (which, perhaps, is a synonym for "group of web-servers"). For both of these options, most of the work will be done on servers on the web and the user's "computer" will be mainly a client making use of services running on these servers. Unfortunately, this transition is causing, and will continue to cause, major "growing" pains for those who are used to (i.e., almost all of us) the current system/paradigm. These growing pains are showing up in the Linux world as, for example, the GNOME team's desire to push their project into this new world/paradigm, and their users' resulting pain in finding things don't work as they used to - the transition is only, perhaps, 1/4 to 1/3 complete, and how it will actually turn out in the end is known only to those who both have access to, and have been willing to use, a future-oriented time machine (which is, likely, no one). Everyone else has to guess, and it's likely that most guesses will be off by quite a bit. In the meantime we are stuck with these painful transitional technologies, such as GNOME 3 and Ubuntu's Unity, which to many people seem like (and perhaps are) monstrosities. I don't think the Linux world is alone in being affected by these transitional pains - many people are wondering what the fuck they are going to do when Windows 8 (or Metro, or whatever-the-fuck it's being called now) comes out. It's trying to bridge this transition, too, and, IMO, is not doing a very good job of it. (Prediction: Microsoft will be, in about 10 to 15 years, the Sears of high-tech companies - they just don't have the right philosophy, vision, and creativity needed to keep up.) Apple may do better than both MS and Linux, but their position at or near the top in the near future is nowhere near guaranteed. And - again in the meantime - we have to make do with what we currently have in this confusing transitional period. The people (IMO) likely to feel the most pain in these times are the pseudo-geeks: those like Michael and most of the rest of us on this mailing list who have a fair amount of geeky skills/talents, but not enough to know how to maneuver around the obstacle course of changes resulting from this transition. The more common naive Joe/Sally user can for the most part trust MS (at least until MS becomes a has-been, which will take several years) or Apple to tell them what to do and will likely not have enough demands such that they experience great pain (maybe a little, but not like having, say, an amputation). And the true-geek will be able to use their pain to direct themselves to a workable, perhaps partly-hacked-together, solution. But the pseudo geek will likely have the demands to insist on something better than what's available, but not the skills to whip something up that will fulfill what they need. Result: mucho pain. But - to allude to the subject of this thread -: I don't think this automatically leads to the conclusion that things look bad for the future of Linux. Linux is used, probably, (mainly because of Android) in more devices these days than any other major OS (i.e., Windows, Windows-phone, IOS, OSX). And Linux appears to be the de facto OS for most embedded devices these days. Also, Linux is what Chrome OS is based on - another future-web/cloud-oriented technology. With all this reliance on Linux and with all the talented/skilled developers on this planet with approximately 7 billion people, it seems likely to me that something very good and useful will emerge in the next 5 to 10 years. It may take a while, and we may have to go through quite a bit of pain until then, but I think it's likely something workable for us "pseudo-geeks" will show up well before we die. Until then, I'm finding KDE4 on Fedora 17 quite workable. (I've been using KDE for many years and have
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 08/27/2012 11:13 AM, jimmy wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, "D. Michael > McIntyre" wrote: > >> My computer had been up for almost 18 months before I >> decided to try >> upgrading it. You'd think I would have learned that >> for every stable >> thing in Linux there are 50,000 hopeless train wrecks in >> between. >> >> I tire of this so-called progress. >> > > I gave up on KDE and GNOME a couple of years ago, especially on a couple of > older laptops with not too much memory. Now I use Fluxbox, with a few > commands in the ~/.fluxbox/startup file to startup some apps, since it > doesn't save session information. > > Again, I keep a few 20 GB partitions just so I can install separate versions > of Linux on each, wiping out oldest partition for the latest distro release. > It also help me recover configuration info from one of the other partitions > during the first few weeks as I install the apps I want. Of course, I keep > my data in yet other logical partitions, separate from those bootable > partitions. The arrangement saved me lots of time, headache, and heartache > along the way. > > I think most GUI applications are dumbing-down the users, keeping them > ignorant of how the system should work. Various *buntu distros are also > dumbing down the user knowlege base, trying to cater to the dumb-users of > Windows and Macs. > > Perhaps I'll share my upgrade experience. Since I'm using Debian > Sid/Unstable, the repository is almost always in state of constant change, > and some apps may have dependencies issue while the repository is changing. > > Yeah, early on I have had a couple of problematic upgrades that left Xorg > broken so everything was in text console mode. A day or two later, continue > to try upgrade did clear everything, and that computer was again working. > > I have learned to do: > > apt-get update > apt-get -d upgrade > > the "-d" option tell it to only download, but won't actually apply the > upgrade. If there are packages missing, or have broken prerequisites, I > would not continue, but keep try those to commands until all the packages get > completely downloaded. Once that's done without problems, I would go ahead > with > > apt-get upgrade > > With all the needed packages and all prerequisite packages are already > downloaded, I only need to make sure the system partition has enough disk > space for the upgrade before answering "yes" to apply the upgrade. > > I don't think I have much of a problem with Linux system upgrade since. Of > course, different distros not using apt package manager may have similar > options, you may want to look up such options. > > More often, I upgrade certain apps with > > apt-get -d install someapp > > if there's no problems, then continue with > > apt-get install someapp > > GUI apps and their convenience is one thing. But they are not that smart, in > fact they dumb-down the user knowledge exposure of how and why things work > within the system. The less they know, the more problems they will > encounter. Generally speaking, the GUI app developers make too much > assumption, without error checking, or disk space checking. > > Good luck. > > Jimmy I run Aptosid on 2 of my systems here. Works for me. Aptosid says to install/remove/update though apt-get, saying that none of the GUI package managers properly handle complex dependencies. I don't know, I use Synaptic to check for upgrades, then some shell scripts to upgrade installed apps like LibreOffice that have a bunch of separate packages to upgrade ... I like the "-d" trick, will have to try that. Although it's been awhile since I had a problem with unmet dependencies using Aptosid. They have their own repository of some things and seem to be vetting Sid packages and filtering out ones that are problematic. Aptosid also recommends getting to run level 2 before doing an upgrade of X. Best advice before any upgrade: make a system disk image and save it somewhere! :-) -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
Dear Michael I've never used Ubuntu so I can not talk about it! I use ROSA-2012 (Russian version of Mandriva) http://www.rosalab.com/ with kde4.8.4 and the repo MIB http://mib.pianetalinux.org/blog/ which ROSA takes the kernel-nrj (low-latency). I, like you, am a user kmail since it exists! Even this mail comes from kmail! I use kmail starting kontact! Kmail akonadi needs to work so be sure to install all the modules akonadi! I think we all know that when you rewrite software to make a jump this jump is never painless! Also I Mandriva-Rosa I suffered when it was new kmail-kontact but now I use it with sufficient satisfaction! Problems still exist with filters to sort messages into different folders but nothing terribly irritating! I am sure that in future releases these little problems will be solved! Hang in there! Support kde and kmail! Revolutions require work! Greetings and good luck! -- oiram/bin/selom Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni. Linux MIB Lilypond Frescobaldi Rosegarden -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
I can feel your pain... When I faced upgrade threats for my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS I sensed something had taken the wrong direction with Ubuntu. While Ubuntu was the distro which really helped me to get seriously and permanently into Linux I felt it was taking the wrong decisions at each upgrade. Ubuntu had worked out of the box on my laptop for wifi and most importantly audio (and mostlt rosegarden itself, Pd and ardour) - then came the pulseaudio pushed onto the desktop even if still barely beta... So I decided to switch to 'mother' debian, and understood how naive I had been to consider it too 'complicated' and favour ubuntu, and that getting hardware to work isn't that hard really. And now I'm happily using debian testing XFCE (so popular for GNOME 2 'expats') after savouring a half hour of both GNOME 3 and Unity insanity. And it looks like XFCE will be the default in the next debian release. As for the so-called progress thing, it's hard to tell, many people who are starting their Linux adventure like Unity or GNOME 3 'easy-ness'. What I know is that when I have to open a Windows or OSX desktop the restraint feeling is strong and pervasive, the closeness. On linux even on a GNOME 3 machine I have that feeling of 'well you could always install XFCE or something lighter alongside... it's always refreshing. It's still a rich and varied ecosystem, often a bit chaotic and dispersive - but, at least in my humble opinion, more fun :) Lorenzo. On 27/08/12 16:08, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I'm writing from GMail in a web browser. I hate using a web browser > for email, and have been using KMail for over 10 years. I love KMail. > > So somewhere after midnight I got the upgrade notification thing from > my running Kubuntu 10.04 LTS that 12.04.1 was available. Interesting. > That's the first time in years I've actually gotten one of those > notifications. > > I decided to burn some hours fooling around, and give it a go. How > much breakage could there be? > > The clicky link thing failed immediately with error code 1, but no > matter. I googled it, and figured out I should run some sudo thing > from the command line. > > That failed about five times in a row, with several minutes between > each iteration, because I had a lot of trouble freeing sufficient > space on /var, but it did eventually get me there without any > additional issues. > > I was pretty impressed that it replaced several thousand packages > without giving me the sense that anything too awful was going to get > broken. My old installation was, well, old, and full of random little > cruft nuggets. > > So that was around 0400 when it first booted, and here it is around > 1000 by now, and I'm posting this from my shiny new GNOME Classic > desktop. I took one look at the non-classic GNOME and could scarcely > decipher the completely mutilated train wreck of a thing it called a > desktop, so I tried the classic version instead, and it looks... > Well, identical. They're both just spectacularly awful. I can't > imagine why anybody would use this hideous piece of shit for more time > than it took to find the logout button. > > Oh, and every single word I type is in red, because the language stuff > apparently got screwed up in all this too. > > As for KDE? Forget about KDE. Hours of googling errors later, I > finally gave up and installed GNOME, which is completely unusable, but > at least it doesn't fail instantly with a cryptic error for which > there is no solution in all of google space. > > There are many references to the lnusertemp thingie not working, going > back for years and years, but not a single hint or tip contained in a > single one of them was useful. Not unless you consider it progress > that I graduated from an instant failure to X11 coming up in a black > screen with an endless stream of meaningless errors on the console > anyway. > > I've been doing my bit to make all of this better for 10 years now, > and it's extremely depressing to see that everything is just as bad, > if not worse, than it was the first time I tried Linux 11 years ago. > This is progress? This is a completely and hopelessly broken train > wreck. > > I guess I have to figure out how to use the GNOME crap to download and > burn an ISO and do a clean install. Maybe that will work. > > My computer had been up for almost 18 months before I decided to try > upgrading it. You'd think I would have learned that for every stable > thing in Linux there are 50,000 hopeless train wrecks in between. > > I tire of this so-called progress. > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >
