Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
On 2/19/23 23:09, Will Godfrey wrote: On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:19:15 -1000 david wrote: Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful tool of audio engineers. For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded audio, it's way beyond me. Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete, beautiful score, I use MuseScore. On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote: Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you can use it in say, ardour. Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about the extra fluff. Sorry if this has been considered before. Mike On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote: > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI? Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the Linux Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk JACK is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in Rosegarden. Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI. Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk... Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of endeavor LV2 would be... In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI (maybe JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've written a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably because of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for Linux and having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO still lacking to much in the MIDI department). Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-) Lorenzo > > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;) > > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote: >> No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. >> Need to find some more time. >> >> Ted. >> >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?" >>> >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. >>> >>> I see this feature request: >>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ >>> >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: >>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only >>> through KXStudio repository? >>> >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of >>> having to install yet another program. >>> >>> Ideas? > I would add that Yoshimi in Ardour *at least* doubles the CPU load compared with Yoshimi with Rosegarden. Ardour is an audio processor with some MIDI facilities added on. Rosegarden is a MIDI processor with some audio facilities added on. And I mostly do MIDI and scores. Although I suspect my system (i9 processor, 64GB RAM, Nvidia graphics) probably wouldn't complain about CPU load in Ardour. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:19:15 -1000
david wrote:
>Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful
>tool of audio engineers.
>
>For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded
>audio, it's way beyond me.
>
>Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete,
>beautiful score, I use MuseScore.
>
>On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote:
>> Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these
>> formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you
>> can use it in say, ardour.
>>
>> Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about
>> the extra fluff.
>>
>> Sorry if this has been considered before.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>
>> On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote:
>> > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA
>> MIDI, what's
>> > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI?
>>
>> Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the
>> Linux
>> Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk
>> JACK
>> is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in
>> Rosegarden.
>>
>> Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI.
>>
>> Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does
>> something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk...
>>
>> Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of
>> endeavor LV2 would be...
>> In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI
>> (maybe
>> JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've
>> written
>> a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the
>> trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably
>> because
>> of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for
>> Linux and
>> having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO
>> still lacking to much in the MIDI department).
>>
>> Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-)
>> Lorenzo
>>
>> >
>> > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support
>> either
>> > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;)
>> >
>> > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote:
>> >> No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI.
>> >> Need to find some more time.
>> >>
>> >> Ted.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote:
>> >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the
>> Linux-Users-Audio list,
>> >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support:
>> "Why do
>> >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?"
>> >>>
>> >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.
>> >>>
>> >>> I see this feature request:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
>> >>>
>> >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:
>> >>>
>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the
>> plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several
>> programs
>> all doing the same thing.
>> >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11
>> repository -
>> >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian.
>> Apparently only
>> >>> through KXStudio repository?
>> >>>
>> >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of
>> >>> having to install yet another program.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ideas?
>> >
>>
>
I would add that Yoshimi in Ardour *at least* doubles the CPU load compared
with Yoshimi with Rosegarden.
Ardour is an audio processor with some MIDI facilities added on.
Rosegarden is a MIDI processor with some audio facilities added on.
--
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful tool of audio engineers. For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded audio, it's way beyond me. Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete, beautiful score, I use MuseScore. On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote: Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you can use it in say, ardour. Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about the extra fluff. Sorry if this has been considered before. Mike On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote: > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI? Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the Linux Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk JACK is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in Rosegarden. Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI. Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk... Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of endeavor LV2 would be... In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI (maybe JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've written a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably because of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for Linux and having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO still lacking to much in the MIDI department). Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-) Lorenzo > > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;) > > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote: >> No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. >> Need to find some more time. >> >> Ted. >> >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?" >>> >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. >>> >>> I see this feature request: >>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ >>> >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: >>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only >>> through KXStudio repository? >>> >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of >>> having to install yet another program. >>> >>> Ideas? > -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you can use it in say, ardour. Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about the extra fluff.Sorry if this has been considered before.MikeOn 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote: > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI? Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the Linux Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk JACK is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in Rosegarden. Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI. Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk... Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of endeavor LV2 would be... In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI (maybe JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've written a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably because of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for Linux and having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO still lacking to much in the MIDI department). Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-) Lorenzo > > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;) > > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote: >> No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. >> Need to find some more time. >> >> Ted. >> >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?" >>> >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. >>> >>> I see this feature request: >>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ >>> >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: >>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only >>> through KXStudio repository? >>> >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of >>> having to install yet another program. >>> >>> Ideas? > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote: I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI? Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the Linux Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk JACK is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in Rosegarden. Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI. Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk... Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of endeavor LV2 would be... In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI (maybe JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've written a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably because of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for Linux and having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO still lacking to much in the MIDI department). Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-) Lorenzo Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;) On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote: No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. Need to find some more time. Ted. On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do you want DSSI instead of LV2?" I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. I see this feature request: https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only through KXStudio repository? I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of having to install yet another program. Ideas? ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI? Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;) On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote: No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. Need to find some more time. Ted. On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do you want DSSI instead of LV2?" I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. I see this feature request: https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only through KXStudio repository? I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of having to install yet another program. Ideas? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI. Need to find some more time. Ted. On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote: Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do you want DSSI instead of LV2?" I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. I see this feature request: https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only through KXStudio repository? I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of having to install yet another program. Ideas? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do you want DSSI instead of LV2?" I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2. I see this feature request: https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/ The last item on that list quotes someone else saying: Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing the same thing. Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only through KXStudio repository? I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of having to install yet another program. Ideas? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
