Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 21:50:43 -0700 prad wrote: > krsg...@trixtar.org writes: > > > Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my > > problems are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but > > I have no ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. > > > were you working from the terminal or a file manager (eg nautilus, > thunar). > if a file manager, you may need to have it show hidden files or ~/.local > won't be visible. > if it is a terminal, then > ls -a > will show all the hidden directories and hopefully there is a ~/.local there. > > that failing there should be at least a > ~/.config/ They're both there alright, my file-managers are always set to show everything, what ticks ME off is _dialogs_ that don't default to show-all. The thing is that there's rosegardenmusic folder under .config and it has a rosegarden.conf in it but nothing else. The .local/share/rosegarden folder is there too and all it has is an autosave folder in it. So I created a .local/share/rosegarden/library folder and copied the yoshimi.rgd into it. There is however a /usr/share/rosegarden/library/yoshimi.rgd of the same size (presumably the same file). Alas all this is not where the bug lives. Unlike Dave's case, my bug doesn't clear itself :-( On Leap-15.3 I can't start Yoshimi AT ALL, but that's another thread to be. > > may be you can find > ~/.config/rosegarden/library > > or you can run from your terminal: > locate rosegarden/library > and that should give you any rosegarden/library if it exists. > (it certainly did for me) > > there must be a rosegarden/library, unless suse sets up rg in some sort > of strange way. Yeh, they do a lot of things in strange ways but Leap is still my go2 system, that might change though. Sometimes I wonder why distro devs can't just leave everything exactly as the application dev intended and set up, but no-one ever asks me what "I" think :-)) -- openSUSE Leap 15.3, Kernel=5.3.18-150300.59.68-preempt on x86_64,DM=sddm, DE=KDE-Plasma,ST=x11,grub2, GPT, BIOS-boot https://i.imgur.com/DCRogWF.png ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On 6/8/22 19:35, prad wrote: david writes: I seem to have lost my audio device somewhere in this process. I should never have tested pipewire - it messed things up and even uninstalling it and removing config hasn't fixed it. pipewire is working nicely for me (at least for what i'm doing anyway). i also installed pipewire-alsa pipewire-jack (i think that's needed for audio in rg) wireplumber (policy manager for pipewire) qpwgraph (equivalent of qjackctl, but better imho because you can space things out for visibility) i can show you my configs, if you think it'll help. i'm on archlinux though. Thanks. I'm on Debian 11. I'm not enough interested in Pipewire to pursue it. Jack and ALSA work for me. I never heard of wireplumber pr qpwgraph. I use Cadenza and it's Catia tool for graph connections when necessary. I got my audio device back after shutting down and restarting. My USB audio card is connected to my Thunderbold 3 dock, and every once in awhile the Thunderbolt hardware decides to drop one or more of the devices connected to Thunderbolt. Sometimes it's the audio card or the USB optical drive when I have it connected, but mostly it's the Ethernet connection. Oh, well! -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
david writes: > I seem to have lost my audio device somewhere in this process. I should > never have tested pipewire - it messed things up and even uninstalling > it and removing config hasn't fixed it. > pipewire is working nicely for me (at least for what i'm doing anyway). i also installed pipewire-alsa pipewire-jack (i think that's needed for audio in rg) wireplumber (policy manager for pipewire) qpwgraph (equivalent of qjackctl, but better imho because you can space things out for visibility) i can show you my configs, if you think it'll help. i'm on archlinux though. -- In friendship, prad ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On 6/8/22 18:28, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 18:09:40 -0700 prad wrote: krsg...@trixtar.org writes: Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi don't know if this is of any help to you, krsgrdn, but i have just had some success with rg and yoshimi after considerable fiddling (due to my own ignorance about all this). i posted how i did it on linuxmusicians: https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=64=24573=145728#p145728 Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my problems are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but I have no ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. I'm working with Suse Tumbleweed right now using Yoshimi-2.2.0 and rosegarden-22.06 which are both bleeding-edge. So, following my usual procedure 1 start qjackctl 2 start qsynth 3 start yoshimi standalone I can fiddle with yoshimi and even load a patch and play its virtual keyboard. I could do exactly the same with Zybaddsubfx standalone but will now just keep things simple, so 4 start rosegarden In the qjackctl 'connect' window Yoshimi is connected to system, I also connect it to rosegarden (probably not needed). As a result there is no trace of yoshimi anything in rosegarden. The rosegarden "Manage MIDI Devices" window shows only a single General MIDI entry in the left Playback window and in MIDI-Outputs only two input ports as being available: 129:0 Synth-Input and 14:0 Midi-Through. There SHOULD be another port there for each standalone synth started, such as yoshimi OR zynadsubfx, as soon as I start Yoshimi but there isn't. THIS is my problem at this point (as far as I can tell). If I recall correctly, I had to start Yoshimi with the -A and -j options: -A, --alsa-audio[=] Use ALSA audio output. -j, --jack-midi[=] Use JACK MIDI input. But I was just now fiddling with things with RG 22.12 (freshly compiled) and Yoshimi 2.2 (freshly compiled) and I'm not seeing Yoshimi in RG although I can get sound from Yoshimi playing it's virtual keyboard or using my external keyboard. I seem to have lost my audio device somewhere in this process. I should never have tested pipewire - it messed things up and even uninstalling it and removing config hasn't fixed it. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
krsg...@trixtar.org writes: > Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my > problems are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but > I have no ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. > were you working from the terminal or a file manager (eg nautilus, thunar). if a file manager, you may need to have it show hidden files or ~/.local won't be visible. if it is a terminal, then ls -a will show all the hidden directories and hopefully there is a ~/.local there. that failing there should be at least a ~/.config/ may be you can find ~/.config/rosegarden/library or you can run from your terminal: locate rosegarden/library and that should give you any rosegarden/library if it exists. (it certainly did for me) there must be a rosegarden/library, unless suse sets up rg in some sort of strange way. -- In friendship, prad ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 18:09:40 -0700 prad wrote: > krsg...@trixtar.org writes: > > > > Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi > > > don't know if this is of any help to you, krsgrdn, but i have just had > some success with rg and yoshimi after considerable fiddling (due to my > own ignorance about all this). i posted how i did it on linuxmusicians: > https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=64=24573=145728#p145728 Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my problems are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but I have no ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. I'm working with Suse Tumbleweed right now using Yoshimi-2.2.0 and rosegarden-22.06 which are both bleeding-edge. So, following my usual procedure 1 start qjackctl 2 start qsynth 3 start yoshimi standalone I can fiddle with yoshimi and even load a patch and play its virtual keyboard. I could do exactly the same with Zybaddsubfx standalone but will now just keep things simple, so 4 start rosegarden In the qjackctl 'connect' window Yoshimi is connected to system, I also connect it to rosegarden (probably not needed). As a result there is no trace of yoshimi anything in rosegarden. The rosegarden "Manage MIDI Devices" window shows only a single General MIDI entry in the left Playback window and in MIDI-Outputs only two input ports as being available: 129:0 Synth-Input and 14:0 Midi-Through. There SHOULD be another port there for each standalone synth started, such as yoshimi OR zynadsubfx, as soon as I start Yoshimi but there isn't. THIS is my problem at this point (as far as I can tell). ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
krsg...@trixtar.org writes: > Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi > don't know if this is of any help to you, krsgrdn, but i have just had some success with rg and yoshimi after considerable fiddling (due to my own ignorance about all this). i posted how i did it on linuxmusicians: https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=64=24573=145728#p145728 also, i found this video about yoshimi by none other than will godfrey! Folderol: Getting to know Yoshimi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1z_wRnTvKg=67s (saw only a bit of it and looking good!) -- In friendship, prad ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 00:07:13 -0400 krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi also but it's not >usable with Leap-15.3 because it cannot find libreadline.so.8 (libreadline7 is >installed). With Yoshimi I'd have no choice because there's no Yoshimi-dssi >package in Suse, only a zynaddsubfx-dssi and some others but no Yoshimi-dssi. Yoshimi only marks readline as a dependency it should work with V7, so maybe someone has packaged it on another system using V8. It is available from the community packages in Leap 15.4 Looking through the records, it seems DSSI support was abandoned long before I was involved with the code because at that time the Zyn/Yoshi code was too unstable. Strangely, it's still marked as a dependency! I don't think there's much point in trying to reinstate it now. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
