Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
Closed #1276 as completed via 4c814f88d515aecf358128f6400d0ece55ff1499. -- Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#event-8244084312 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Message ID: ___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
great thanks; following https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/pull/1239 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-662401107___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
> FWIW in openSUSE many packages have a "-lang" subpackage to contain all > translations. Those packages in turn have automated provides that translate > into a locale namespace for libsolv, eg. `rpm -q --provides bash-lang`: > > ``` > locale(bash:es) > ``` The (compared the to locale name space) new boolean dependencies were designed to be able to also cover this use case. They are not quite as sleek but a more general solution. So yes, we are kinda copying the SuSE solution here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647546081___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
> What are the main benefits over `%lang(zh)` besides making the downloaded > binary RPM smaller? Is the increase in rpm-md repo metadata size worth it? Well, there is a trade off depending on the situation. But the more different languages are supported and the bigger the number of translated strings is the more it is worth packaging translation separately. Having this process automated we could even pick the right style of packaging depending on translation sizes. Or different distributions could choose their own policy. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647543340___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
> How do you detect a binary that will want to load some specific translations? > Is it just some guess or should be up to packager to fill in or? FWIW in openSUSE many packages have a "-lang" subpackage to contain all translations. Those packages in turn have automated provides that translate into a locale namespace for libsolv, eg. `rpm -q --provides bash-lang`: ```[...] locale(bash:es) ``` That basically instructs libsolv to install `bash-lang` if `bash` is installed and the system is in Spanish. https://github.com/openSUSE/rpm-config-SUSE/blob/master/fileattrs/locale.attr https://github.com/openSUSE/rpm-config-SUSE/blob/master/scripts/locale.prov That mechanism would still work if splitting would be fine grained to the level of one locale per package. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647512303___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
Generally you should try out #1239 , but for that you need to find out few things. How do you detect a binary that will want to load some specific translations? Is it just some guess or should be up to packager to fill in or? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647477780___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
What are the main benefits over `%lang(zh)` besides making the downloaded binary RPM smaller? Is the increase in rpm-md repo metadata size worth it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647477529___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
Re: [Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
@ffesti @ignatenkobrain how do you feel about next steps? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1276#issuecomment-647321513___ Rpm-maint mailing list Rpm-maint@lists.rpm.org http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-maint
[Rpm-maint] [rpm-software-management/rpm] RPM Translation subpackage(s) (#1276)
Actually, this is subset of [Automatic (sub)package
generators](https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/329) and an
extension to https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/310.
However, creating this to have contained discussions.
Currently most of the RPM packaged applications ship translations with them.
And, translations take up more space (_even than fonts_) in workstations,
fedora silverblue, and others.
Hence there could be a need to limit this considering minimization
initiative(s).
After some investigations it seems feasible to go step by step.
1. To separate translations from main `PKG` and create a sub-package, for
example - something like, `%{name}-translations` as a weak dependency
(`Supplements: %{name} = %{version}-%{release}` not sure about `arch`).
Certainly we may leverage on `find_lang.sh` and improve over the time. In
`fedora` almost 1800+ spec files use `%find_lang` and we always can have
opt-out option. Roughly
[something](https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/pull-request/94)
how `debuginfo subpackages` works. Furthermore, this feature should work only
when we have translations in `%{buildroot}`.
2. Next step could be to create translation sub-package(s) grouped by
`language_id`. For example, suppose a package has mo files for `ja`, `pt`,
`pt_BR`, `zh_CN`, `zh_TW`, `zh_HK`, `it_IT`, and `de` locales, then 5
sub-packages would be created namely `%{name}-translations-ja`,
`%{name}-translations-pt`, `%{name}-translations-zh`, `%{name}-translations-it`
and `%{name}-translations-de`. Here `%{name}-translations-zh` shall contain 3
mo files. With this approach we may limit number of sub-packages (_lesser RPM
metadata_) and need not to implement locale-mapping/fallback. Moreover, this
may enable us to tie up these sub-packages to langpacks meta-package
installation. (_and may
[help](https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/silverblue/us/116) in flatpak
locales creation too_) Here, we did not call them `langpacks` because,
`langpacks` may also contain fonts, IMEs, dictionaries etc. These may live as a
weak dependency? I am not sure but there could be a role of `system active
locale` to suggest sub-package(s) to users while installation - may be a
[dnf](https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf) thing though! Base locale
would be "C".
This is an attempt to kick off discussions around this and move towards
appropriate approach doing it in `rpm`.
thanks!
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