Re: [rrg] Geoff Huston's BGP/DFZ research - 300k DFZ prefixes are the tip of the iceberg

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Vest
Paul raises a critical point that IMO gets insufficient attention here... On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:35 AM, Tony Li wrote: Hi Paul, Well, let's look at the flip-side for a moment. Imagine if there were /no/ growth in prefixes. Is that good? I think the answer clearly is no. No growth in

Re: [rrg] 2 Possible Consensus Items

2010-03-11 Thread Tom Vest
On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: Pekka Savola allegedly wrote on 03/11/2010 08:52 EST: FWIW, yes, it certainly was ambiguous, but it was apparent that lots of folks interpreted it their own way. I never got around to responding because of the ambiguities. Also I don't see

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Vest
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2010-03-09 00:21, Tom Vest wrote: On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Tony Li tony...@tony.li IPv4 is done. Over. Cooked. Fully toast. It will either enter a black market where we deaggregate and no proposal

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-08 Thread Tom Vest
On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Tony Li tony...@tony.li IPv4 is done. Over. Cooked. Fully toast. It will either enter a black market where we deaggregate and no proposal will help, or we shift to v6 and v4 is irrelevant. In either case, we're not in time to do

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-08 Thread Tom Vest
On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Tony Li wrote: What other potential options do you envision which might provide some reasonable probability of avoiding this Catch-22? A shift in the carriers away from anything IP based. Tony Unless I'm missing something, I think that we're agreeing with

Re: [rrg] IPv4 IPv6 routing scaling problems

2010-02-12 Thread Tom Vest
On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Tom Vest tv...@eyeconomics.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Danny McPherson da...@arbor.net wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:39 AM

Re: [rrg] Constraints due to the need for widespread voluntary adoption

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Vest
On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Patrick Frejborg wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: From: Patrick Frejborg pfrejb...@gmail.com concern about having a mapping database for routing information How does the mapping database differ, in

Re: [rrg] Scalable solution hitting IPv4's limits / main text (time out)

2009-04-20 Thread Tom Vest
On Apr 20, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Robin Whittle wrote: Long message ahead: Discussing Tom's Liquidity Systems view of the Internet's routing and addressing system. I haven't yet found any insights from it which help with scalable

Re: [rrg] Scalable solution hitting IPv4's limits / main text

2009-04-19 Thread Tom Vest
On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Robin Whittle wrote: Short version: Long reply to Tom Vest, discussing his concerns about IPv4, even with a scalable routing solution, hitting the limits of its address range and so causing difficulties for aspiring

Re: [rrg] Constraints on a solution - incrementally deployable again

2009-04-15 Thread Tom Vest
) IPv6 has been vetoed. Before I even attempt to suggest what kind of extensions or modifications might serve to remedy this perceived incumbent bias I'd be very interested in hearing reactions from others... Thanks, Tom Vest On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Robin Whittle wrote: Short