Re: rsync vs. unison

2007-10-01 Thread Stuart Halliday
Get Unison. Rsync needs to be run twice and isn't that great at mirror syncing. -- Stuart Halliday -Original Message- From: Noam Birnbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rsync@lists.samba.org Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:56:06 -0700 Subject: rsync vs. unison Hey all, I'm looking into a

Re: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Fabian Cenedese
At 00:04 01.10.2007 -0500, Robert wrote: snip Is there some works in the world trying to make a good gui for rsync and to let all people using this very good method to make a backup. If somebody is interesting to create this gui, let me know --Suresh Delta Copy:

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
There are times I use deltacopy locally. I have a couple clients backing up to removable hard disks with it. Just start the server service on the local machine. For the server's ip, type in 127.0.0.1 or localhost and you can backup locally with deltacopy. Deltacopy is the best gui for windows

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Does robocopy handle partial transfers, and backups of changed deleted files? My reason for wanting rsync is to maintain a mirror, and accomplish incremental backups via --backup --backup-dir=blah with rsync. On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka wrote: I have also noticed that

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Unfortunately I don't think it will work. We have two offices in the same corporate park connected by an unreliable radio backhaul, and several terabytes of data to sync daily, hence my desire to get rsync working :( PS: I will definitely check out robocopy for other uses, thank you :) On

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
I have synced terabytes of data across DSL connections using robocopy with no problem. Robocopy is just as fast as rsync on whole files and I find it to be even faster on folders with large numbers of small files (though I hear the next release of rsync is supposed to speed that up). However, if

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
On Monday 01 October 2007, Matt McCutchen wrote: On 10/1/07, havoc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having problems using rsync on cygwin to properly copy the ownership of files from windows to windows. I am running: rsync -avPA //src_addr/some/path /local/dst/path/ Based on:

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Suresh Govindachar
Regarding the recommendation: Delta Copy: http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp It has a gui already. No need to reinvent the wheel. I went over the FAQ and the documentation for Delta Copy. Delta Copy does not provide any means to continually monitor an on-going

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Intriguing, you're saying to use rsync to copy/sync the data, the use robocopy to only recursively set permissions? Robocopy can do this without transferring data? I haven't finished reading all about it yet, but have started with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocopy On Monday 01 October

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
Yup, that's what I originally intended but I probably wasn't very clear. So basically you would add ROBOCOPY source destination /XO /XN /XC /E /COPY:ATSOU to run after the rsync finishes. How are you running rsync with no remote daemon running? Mapped drive? Why not run the remote daemon, I

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
What exactly are you looking for in monitoring it? The -v should give you a verbose output. If you want more details, I think you can specify multiple -v to give you a more verbose output. _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH. 608-558-5926 E-Mail

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Yes, mapped drive, kindof, it's a netbios default share, but essentially the same thing. I am trying to avoid any situation that requires special handling on the remote (client workstation) side, like additional software to install and maintain. On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
I don't think so. Let's get terminology out of the way first. The computer sending data is the client and the computer storing the backups is the server. Rsync needs to read the whole file stored on the server to know what data the client needs to send. Since you are only running rsync on the

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Ah, yes, was a terminology mismatch, I understand now. On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka wrote: I don't think so. Let's get terminology out of the way first. The computer sending data is the client and the computer storing the backups is the server. Rsync needs to read the whole

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Would running an rsync daemon on the client side (using Matt's ACL enabled rsync) solve my ACL problem? On Monday 01 October 2007, havoc wrote: Yes, mapped drive, kindof, it's a netbios default share, but essentially the same thing. I am trying to avoid any situation that requires special

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Suresh Govindachar
What exactly are you looking for in monitoring it? The -v should give you a verbose output. If you want more details, I think you can specify multiple -v to give you a more verbose output. As my question indicates, I know the above. | So the question remains: In regard to

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
I'm not sure. If you can run the daemon on the server, you should. My situation doesn't allow me to do that but if yours does, you should. If you initiate the daemon from the client, then I don't believe there's anything extra running on the server except for during backups.

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
RTM _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH. 608-558-5926 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Suresh Govindachar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: 'Stephen Zemlicka'; rsync@lists.samba.org

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Suresh Govindachar
Stephen Zemlicka wrote: RTM Where is the Manual -- that was the question I asked: | Where can one find an explanation of the format, content | and interpretation of the outputs (a-e)? --Suresh -- To unsubscribe or change options:

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Well, I'll try installing cygwin and an rsync daemon on one of the XP workstations to be backed up later tonight to see if having rsync on both ends solves the ACL issue. I just can't do it now as the workstations are in use. On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka wrote: I'm not sure.

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
Gotta love Google. http://samba.anu.edu.au/ftp/rsync/rsync.html http://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync.html http://www.mediacollege.com/cgi-bin/man/page.cgi?topic=rsync http://www.ss64.com/bash/rsync.html _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
Check out cwRsync. Should allow you to install and use rsync without the entire cygwin installation. http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pag ePAGE_id=6MMN_position=23:23 _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH.

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
Heh, already found that via: http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka wrote: Check out cwRsync. Should allow you to install and use rsync without the entire cygwin installation. http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pa

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
I forgot to mention that my concern with cwrsync is whether or not it is built with ACL support. On Monday 01 October 2007, havoc wrote: Heh, already found that via: http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php On Monday 01 October 2007, Stephen Zemlicka wrote: Check out cwRsync. Should allow you

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Suresh Govindachar
In response to Stephen Zemlicka wrote: RTM Where is the Manual -- that was the question I asked: | Where can one find an explanation of the format, content | and interpretation of the outputs (a-e)? where (a-e) refer to: | So the question remains: In

RE: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
Don't a where's the manual question buried in a page of text. Keep it short and concise and then people won't skim to try and help you without wasting their own time. _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH. 608-558-5926 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Steve Radich
Someone more knowledgable in rsync correct me if I'm wrong but.. Wouldn't robocopy better serve these EXACT needs? It doesn't handle partial file transfers, but neither will rsync given that you are running it only on one end - I.e. to calculate the crc to compare the files contents it would have

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread havoc
I will run it at both ends if that's what it takes. On Monday 01 October 2007, Steve Radich wrote: Someone more knowledgable in rsync correct me if I'm wrong but.. Wouldn't robocopy better serve these EXACT needs? It doesn't handle partial file transfers, but neither will rsync given that you

Re: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Milutin Voinivich
If somebody is interesting to create this gui, let me know Try NasBackup It have rsync GUI. http://www.NasBackup.com/ Delta Copy unfortunately only works in client/server mode. As I also need local mode this is no option (though it looks nice). So me too I still haven't found a simple,

reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Peter Salameh
Hello, This is my first posting to the rsync list. I mirror a database containing directories which contain a very large number of files (say 30,000), and sending the file list can often take longer than transferring the new files.(Rsync ends up sending nearly the same file list on every

Re: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Peter Salameh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has the rsync team considered an rsync option which would remember the last file list on both ends, and only send changes to the list? Perhaps a more natural approach is to use the delta-transfer algorithm to send the file list. Jamie Lokier

RE: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
I think the next release is supposed to speed this up. _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH. 608-558-5926 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Salameh Sent: Monday,

Re: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Stephen Zemlicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the next release is supposed to speed this up. Are you thinking of incremental recursion? It interleaves file list and file data transmission but does not decrease the total amount of file-list data sent. Matt -- To unsubscribe or

RE: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen Zemlicka
I thought it was supposed to do it more effeciently _ Stephen Zemlicka Integrated Computer Technologies PH. 608-558-5926 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt McCutchen Sent: Monday,

Re: --delete not working, fixed!

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 9/25/07, Sylvain Viart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, Protect and Hide, are not really documented. It's only said in the doc : hide, H specifies a pattern for hiding files from the transfer. You're right that that line is not enough to thoroughly explain hide filters. However, the

Re: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Stephen Zemlicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was supposed to do it more effeciently Not that I know of. (Wayne, please correct me if necessary.) Matt -- To unsubscribe or change options: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync Before posting, read:

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Stephen Zemlicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's get terminology out of the way first. The computer sending data is the client and the computer storing the backups is the server. No, you may be pushing, but Havoc is pulling. Look at the command in the original message: I am

Re: cygwin rsync windows to windows ACL problem

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Steve Radich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't robocopy better serve these EXACT needs? It doesn't handle partial file transfers, but neither will rsync given that you are running it only on one end - I.e. to calculate the crc to compare the files contents it would have to read the

Re: Mapped Drive

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 9/30/07, Stephen Zemlicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, let's say this is the first sync and every file is being transferred. The checksum for each of the files is cached on the local drive. Then, the next time you sync, it checks the checksum from the cache against the file to be copied.

Re: Mapped Drive

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Matt McCutchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the remote filesystem supports efficient copying of a range of data from one offset to another, then #2 is moot and a smart client can do both pushes and pulls efficiently using your scheme and zsync's reverse delta-transfer algorithm,

Re: Interpreting output from rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Suresh Govindachar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In regard to output, rsync has the following features: Where can I find an explanation of the format, content and interpretation of the outputs (a-e)? a) -v option with various levels of verbosity Roughly, here is what is

Re: why not a gui for rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/1/07, Suresh Govindachar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) consider the message: 2007/09/13 16:50:52 [13688] receiving file list Isn't the list of files determined from the command line used to invoke rsync? So what this new list of files that are being received from

Re: reducing file list bytes transferred

2007-10-01 Thread Matt McCutchen
On 10/2/07, Peter Salameh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for that. Doesn't the delta-transfer algorithm compare the files on sender and receiver? Correct. For the file list, we would only need compare the new file list with the last one on the sender Unison (

CVS update: rsync

2007-10-01 Thread Wayne Davison
Date: Mon Oct 1 06:13:16 2007 Author: wayned Update of /data/cvs/rsync In directory dp.samba.org:/tmp/cvs-serv28467 Modified Files: NEWS Log Message: The latest changes. Revisions: NEWS1.460 = 1.461