Re: Rsync over NFS mount sending whole files

2005-10-27 Thread Wayne Davison
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 07:27:09PM +0200, Anban Mestry wrote:
> rsync -avtz --no-whole-file \test1\ \mnt\test2\

You don't want to do that, because --no-whole-file optimizes rsync's
socket I/O at the expense of disk I/O, which means that you're making
things less efficient when the "connection" between the sender and the
receiver is a local pipe.  The use of -z for a "local" copy is also
wasteful because you're using CPU to optimize the transfer of data over
a connection that is faster than the disk I/O, even when uncompressed.

Your best configuration is to avoid updating via NFS and instead connect
to the NFS server directly so that rsync can update the files on a local
disk.  That allows rsync to optimize the network traffic.

rsync -avtz /test1/ remoteNFShost:/test2/

If that is not possible, the method that uses the least disk I/O for a
local copy is --whole-file and (to a much smaller extent) --inplace.
That still writes out the entire file over NFS for each update, though,
but it does at least avoid having rsync do a full-file read followed by
a full-file write (which is what occurs with --no-whole-file).

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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Wayne Davison
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 07:35:47PM +0100, Manuel L?pez-Ib??ez wrote:
> Could this also be added to the FAQ ? Please!

You must not have read the FAQ recently, because this idea has been
there for a week now:  after Matt mentioned the HostKeyAlias option back
on the 19th, I replied saying what a nice solution it was, and that I
had added it to the FAQ.

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[Bug 3220] list of error messages

2005-10-27 Thread samba-bugs
https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3220


[EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||INVALID




--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-10-27 17:29 ---
This is a request for information, not a bug report.  The best place to ask
questions is on the mailing list.

As long as I'm here, I might as well answer:

A usage error means that you got the options wrong or didn't use any at all. 
See the manpage for the full details of how to use rsync, including a brief list
of all the "EXIT VALUES".  Also, running "rsync --help" gives you a quick
command/option summary.

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Converting OS X UTF-8 NFD to UTF-8 NFC

2005-10-27 Thread Josef Drexler


To make rsync work better when rsyncing between OS X (whose filenames
are encoded in UTF-8 NFD form) and just about every other OS (whose
filenames are encoded in UTF-8 NFC form), I wrote a little patch for
rsync that converts the filenames to NFC before sending them to the
other side.

It uses libidn for that, and currently has no option to enable/disable
this behaviour, but since on OS X all filenames are UTF-8 no matter
what, this shouldn't matter much.  When creating files, OS X handles
UTF-8 NFC fine, so a reverse conversion isn't needed.

I'm posting this patch here and not on sourceforge because it probably
isn't production quality, but it's useful for me and perhaps for the
countless other people who've reported this problem before as well.

If the rsync maintainers are interested in integrating this patch, I'll
be happy to polish it up a little.  I'm not sure if it should be a
configure option (autoenabled on OS X maybe) or a command line option,
so in that case some input here would be nice.  Or else, feel free to
adapt it.

After applying it, "-lidn" needs to be added to LIBS in the Makefile.

And without further ado, here is the patch:


diff -u rsync-2.6.6/flist.c rsync-2.6.6-nfc/flist.c
--- rsync-2.6.6/flist.c 2005-07-07 15:49:14.0 -0400
+++ rsync-2.6.6-nfc/flist.c 2005-10-26 15:18:01.0 -0400
@@ -1748,8 +1748,11 @@
  * buffer.  No size-checking is done because we checked the size when creating
  * the file_struct entry.
  */
+#include 
 char *f_name_to(struct file_struct *f, char *fbuf)
 {
+   char *norm;
+
if (!f || !f->basename)
return NULL;

@@ -1760,6 +1763,11 @@
strcpy(fbuf + len + 1, f->basename);
} else
strcpy(fbuf, f->basename);
+
+   norm = stringprep_utf8_nfkc_normalize(fbuf, -1);
+   strcpy(fbuf, norm);
+   free(norm);
+
return fbuf;
 }


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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez
Yes, your explanations are better. I will promote #2 to become #1, since 
it is more likely the one that will work better in all situations.


Another thing is... if you can use "Method #2 Rsync SSH-es to target 
using a proxy command that first SSH-es to middle" also with rsync 
daemon servers, then: is there any possible advantage on the other three 
methods? If not, can we remove everything but just Method #2 possible 
with another example using a rsync daemon server? You know, I remember 
some say about keeping things simple "something".


Cheers,
Manuel.

Matt McCutchen wrote:

On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:48 +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:

Method 1: no rsync daemon server, passwordless authentication in middle 
machine.


Method 2: no rsync daemon server, using SSH proxy

Method 3: no rsync daemon server, using SSH port forwarding

Method 4: no rsync daemon server, using SSH tunnel



The difference between #3 and #4 is not port forwarding vs. tunnel
(we've been using the terms synonymously) but SSH port vs. rsync daemon
port.  Here's how I would summarize all the methods:

#1: Rsync runs a chained SSH command as transport; authentication on
middle must be passwordless

#2: Rsync SSH-es to target using a proxy command that first SSH-es to
middle

#3: Forward target's SSH port to a local port; rsync SSH-es to that port

#4: Run rsync daemon on target and forward its port to a local port;
rsync accesses the daemon using that port

I dislike #1 because the middle machine can subvert the connection.  I
dislike #3 and #4 because (a) one must remember to set up and take down
the tunnel and (b) others can take advantage of the tunnel.  (If, as
many hope, SSH learns to forward filesystem sockets, (b) will go away.)
Except for some technicalities in how the proxy connection closes, #2 is
the ideal technique, and that's what I use to access my school's
firewalled backup machine.

The updated FAQ is very nice, but perhaps the "rsync through a firewall"
section should be factored out into another page because it occupies
more than half of the FAQ page.

Incidentally, I set up SSH on my machine to prefer password
authentication to keyboard-interactive authentication; now the password
prompt shows the target user and host.  Thanks, Carson!



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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:48 +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:
> Method 1: no rsync daemon server, passwordless authentication in middle 
> machine.
>
> Method 2: no rsync daemon server, using SSH proxy
>
> Method 3: no rsync daemon server, using SSH port forwarding
>
> Method 4: no rsync daemon server, using SSH tunnel

The difference between #3 and #4 is not port forwarding vs. tunnel
(we've been using the terms synonymously) but SSH port vs. rsync daemon
port.  Here's how I would summarize all the methods:

#1: Rsync runs a chained SSH command as transport; authentication on
middle must be passwordless

#2: Rsync SSH-es to target using a proxy command that first SSH-es to
middle

#3: Forward target's SSH port to a local port; rsync SSH-es to that port

#4: Run rsync daemon on target and forward its port to a local port;
rsync accesses the daemon using that port

I dislike #1 because the middle machine can subvert the connection.  I
dislike #3 and #4 because (a) one must remember to set up and take down
the tunnel and (b) others can take advantage of the tunnel.  (If, as
many hope, SSH learns to forward filesystem sockets, (b) will go away.)
Except for some technicalities in how the proxy connection closes, #2 is
the ideal technique, and that's what I use to access my school's
firewalled backup machine.

The updated FAQ is very nice, but perhaps the "rsync through a firewall"
section should be factored out into another page because it occupies
more than half of the FAQ page.

Incidentally, I set up SSH on my machine to prefer password
authentication to keyboard-interactive authentication; now the password
prompt shows the target user and host.  Thanks, Carson!
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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez

Oh, yes! I am sorry, I should have checked that twice.
Wayne did really a great work on the FAQ.

I would add something instead (of added to) the Method #. For example,

Method 1: no rsync daemon server, passwordless authentication in middle 
machine.


Method 2: no rsync daemon server, using SSH proxy

Method 3: no rsync daemon server, using SSH port forwarding

Method 4: no rsync daemon server, using SSH tunnel

Only just to give a quick summary of the differences of the methods.

Cheers,

Manuel.



Matt McCutchen wrote:

On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:46 -0400, Carson Gaspar wrote:


Hot keys aren't a problem if you use HostKeyAlias - see ssh_config(4). e.g.:



On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 19:35 +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote: 


Could this also be added to the FAQ ? Please!



My original explanation included the HostKeyAlias technique, and hence
so does Method 3 of the FAQ.  No change needs to be made to the FAQ.

Thanks to whoever it was (Wayne?) for adding the SSH proxy technique.
Now anyone who happens upon the FAQ page should be able to find at least
one way of getting through a firewall that works in their setup.  :)



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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:46 -0400, Carson Gaspar wrote:
> Hot keys aren't a problem if you use HostKeyAlias - see ssh_config(4). e.g.:

On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 19:35 +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote: 
> Could this also be added to the FAQ ? Please!

My original explanation included the HostKeyAlias technique, and hence
so does Method 3 of the FAQ.  No change needs to be made to the FAQ.

Thanks to whoever it was (Wayne?) for adding the SSH proxy technique.
Now anyone who happens upon the FAQ page should be able to find at least
one way of getting through a firewall that works in their setup.  :)
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Re: Rsync over NFS mount sending whole files

2005-10-27 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg

Hi,

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Anban Mestry wrote:


I'm not sure if anyone has experienced this, and I have searched for
it online, with no conclusive, err.. conclusions.

Basically, when rsyncing two \test1(local) and \mnt\test2\ (NFS mount)
it seems that when using rsync with --no-whole-file entire files
(instead of just updated blocks) are sent through.

I am using the following command

rsync -avtz --no-whole-file \test1\ \mnt\test2\

For example, if say a particular file was 30KB, IPTRAF reports just
over 31KB transferred while rsync itself reports just a few bytes
(i.e. 200 or so).


One of your "local only" rsync instances has to read the entire file in 
order to find out that only 200 bytes are to transfer. ;-))


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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez

Carson Gaspar wrote:
>
>
> --On Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:56 AM +0100 Manuel López-Ibáñez
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> This setup seems to work well--perhaps it could be added to the rsync
>>> FAQ page as Method 2b.  The only annoyance is that one might still get
>>> two indistinguishable "Password:" prompts; could someone tell me how to
>>> configure SSH so the prompt reveals the target
>>
>>
>> Well, actually, I get "Password: " prompts when a ssh into linux 
machines
>> and "user (at) hostname's password: " when I log into OpenBSD. I 
have not

>> been able to find any option to configure the prompt in man pages
>> ssh_config and sshd_config, so I would assume that it is an
>> implementation issue.
>
>
> It's probably a difference between password (shows hostname) and
> keyboard-interactive (doesn't unless the remote server sends it).
>

Yes, it is. I have checked it with the people of openssh (see below)


Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:


Darren Tucker wrote:


As long as the server supports it, the easy way to get it to do what you want is is to 
tell your client to try "password" authentication first (see 
PreferredAuthentications in ssh_config(5).



Yes, you are right, I get the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:" prompt when using 'ssh -o 
"PreferredAuthentications=password" target'.

However, apart from using PAM, what is the difference between password and 
keyboard-interactive authentications?



In OpenSSH 3.9 and up (and 3.6x and below), both use PAM.

The difference is complexity: the "password" authentication allows the client 
to provide a password (and, optionally, change it) but that's it.

"keyboard-interactive" allows conversations of arbitrary complexity. The classic use for 
this is a "challenge-response" token: it supplies a challenge which you punch into a 
little hand-held authenticator then type in what it displays.  It could do more than this and more 
(as can PAM, which is why the two are often used together).


And, what is the difference from the point of view of security? Are both 
equally secure?



I theory, they're both equally secure.


Maybe there should be an FAQ entry for this.



Yeah, the question would be: "How can I configure the password prompt?", 
wouldn't?

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer.



Right now, the answers are
a) configure PAM to do it (if possible), and
b) modify the ssh client.




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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez

Could this also be added to the FAQ ? Please!

Thanks,

Manuel.


Carson Gaspar wrote:
--On Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:53 PM -0700 Wayne Davison 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:29:21PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:


$ ssh -L :target:22 -N -f [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Password: middlepass



Port-forwarding 22 is a great idea as long as ssh is configured not to
complain about the host conflict -- nicely done.  I've added this to the
FAQ in the "rsync through a firewall" section.



Host keys aren't a problem if you use HostKeyAlias - see ssh_config(4). 
e.g.:


ssh -L 2022:remote-host.example.com:22 -N -d middle-host.example.com

Host remote-tunnel.example.com
   User remuser
   HostName 127.0.0.1
   Port 2022
   HostKeyAlias remote-host.example.com

rsync -aH /foo/ remote-tunnel.example.com:/bar/





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[Bug 3220] New: list of error messages

2005-10-27 Thread samba-bugs
https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3220

   Summary: list of error messages
   Product: rsync
   Version: 2.6.4
  Platform: All
OS/Version: HP-UX
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P3
 Component: core
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 QAContact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I get the following error when running rsync on my backup box (HP L2000) hpux 
11i.  rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1151) I was 
wondering where i can find an area that list errors specifically.)

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Rsync over NFS mount sending whole files

2005-10-27 Thread Anban Mestry
Hey all,

I'm not sure if anyone has experienced this, and I have searched for
it online, with no conclusive, err.. conclusions.

Basically, when rsyncing two \test1(local) and \mnt\test2\ (NFS mount)
it seems that when using rsync with --no-whole-file entire files
(instead of just updated blocks) are sent through.

I am using the following command

rsync -avtz --no-whole-file \test1\ \mnt\test2\

For example, if say a particular file was 30KB, IPTRAF reports just
over 31KB transferred while rsync itself reports just a few bytes
(i.e. 200 or so).

I am thinking that either NFS is to blame, or that rsync is trying to
rebuild the file on the other side and requires additional reads and
commands to do this. --in-place doesn't seem to alleviate the problem
much either.


Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Carson Gaspar



--On Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:56 AM +0100 Manuel López-Ibáñez 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



This setup seems to work well--perhaps it could be added to the rsync
FAQ page as Method 2b.  The only annoyance is that one might still get
two indistinguishable "Password:" prompts; could someone tell me how to
configure SSH so the prompt reveals the target


Well, actually, I get "Password: " prompts when a ssh into linux machines
and "user (at) hostname's password: " when I log into OpenBSD. I have not
been able to find any option to configure the prompt in man pages
ssh_config and sshd_config, so I would assume that it is an
implementation issue.


It's probably a difference between password (shows hostname) and 
keyboard-interactive (doesn't unless the remote server sends it).


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Re: rsync through multiple ssh hops with password authentication prompt

2005-10-27 Thread Carson Gaspar
--On Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:53 PM -0700 Wayne Davison 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:29:21PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:

$ ssh -L :target:22 -N -f [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Password: middlepass


Port-forwarding 22 is a great idea as long as ssh is configured not to
complain about the host conflict -- nicely done.  I've added this to the
FAQ in the "rsync through a firewall" section.


Hot keys aren't a problem if you use HostKeyAlias - see ssh_config(4). e.g.:

ssh -L 2022:remote-host.example.com:22 -N -d middle-host.example.com

Host remote-tunnel.example.com
   User remuser
   HostName 127.0.0.1
   Port 2022
   HostKeyAlias remote-host.example.com

rsync -aH /foo/ remote-tunnel.example.com:/bar/

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Re: rsync and o_direct

2005-10-27 Thread Simon Hargrave
Just in case anyone is interested, I've just got confirmation from Oracle
that it is valid to use OCFS without O_DIRECT for reads, it's only writes
that are an issue.

So it is perfectly valid to use rsync to clone an OCFS Oracle archive log
area to another server on standard filesystem.


Simon

> On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 11:59:57AM +0100, Simon Hargrave wrote:
>> My question is, is there a facility to ensure rsync reads files in
O_DIRECT mode so that we can use it for this purpose?
>
> You'd need to modify the code yourself to add O_DIRECT to the various
system calls.  I haven't heard about this being done before.
>
> ..wayne..
>
>




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Re: Fast question...

2005-10-27 Thread Judith Flo

Hi Brad,
Yes, I tried, the problem, as Wayne told, comes with ":", that notation
conflicts with the sintax's hostname ...
Thus, I think that, the only way to use rsync with windows, implies
Cygwin.
Thank u!
Judith

pd: Thanks Wayne!!


Brad Rigden wrote:


Hi Judith,

have you tried replacing your forward slashes with back slashes?

Brad




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Re: rsync failed: Too many links

2005-10-27 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 26 Oct 2005, Kent Miller wrote:

> $ mkdir ~/briefcase/1205275
> mkdir: cannot create directory `1205275': Too many links
> 
> Therefore, the limitation appears to be on the side of the ext3 file
> system, and unrelated to rsync.

If you have so many subdirectories that ext3 is complaining about "too
many links", then the performance will also be impacted badly.

> Of course, this means that I am really stuck.  In a push to standardize, I
> deployed debian sarge throughout my entire network.  All partitions are
> either ext3 or swap.

I use reiserfs everywhere (and Debian of course), but perhaps a better
directory layout would be more fruitful in your case.


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