Re: [S-mailx] Fwd: false positive

2019-03-28 Thread SZÉPE Viktor 

Idézem/Quoting SZÉPE Viktor :


Idézem/Quoting Steffen Nurpmeso :


Hello Rachel, all.

Rachel (NeverBounce) wrote in :

It is a real shame that this tracker calls itself Zendesk and then
requires top-posting.  Being boring as i am, we still cite people
who died several thousand years ago and i, for one, do not top
post them, and would not do so except when being given the option
do or die, and then only with fingers crossed behind the back.
This is trivial and superficial and worthless and without heart
and soul and faith and passion and boring sex it is, too.
This is of course not your fault, Rachel.


No humans I know do bottom posting,
I do not dare bottom post for them as they may not find an answer!!

Only bit-based guys like us from the '90s (living on the terminal)  
do top posting.


I am sorry, this "top posting" was a glitch in my head, of course I've  
meant bottom posting.




SZÉPE Viktor, webes alkalmazás üzemeltetés / Running your application
https://github.com/szepeviktor/debian-server-tools/blob/master/CV.md
~~~
ügyelet/hotline: +36-20-4242498  s...@szepe.net  skype: szepe.viktor
Budapest, III. kerület

Re: [S-mailx] Fwd: false positive

2019-03-28 Thread SZÉPE Viktor 

Idézem/Quoting Steffen Nurpmeso :


Hello Rachel, all.

Rachel (NeverBounce) wrote in :

It is a real shame that this tracker calls itself Zendesk and then
requires top-posting.  Being boring as i am, we still cite people
who died several thousand years ago and i, for one, do not top
post them, and would not do so except when being given the option
do or die, and then only with fingers crossed behind the back.
This is trivial and superficial and worthless and without heart
and soul and faith and passion and boring sex it is, too.
This is of course not your fault, Rachel.


No humans I know do bottom posting,
I do not dare bottom post for them as they may not find an answer!!

Only bit-based guys like us from the '90s (living on the terminal) do  
top posting.



SZÉPE Viktor, webes alkalmazás üzemeltetés / Running your application
https://github.com/szepeviktor/debian-server-tools/blob/master/CV.md
~~~
ügyelet/hotline: +36-20-4242498  s...@szepe.net  skype: szepe.viktor
Budapest, III. kerület

Re: [S-mailx] Fwd: false positive

2019-03-28 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso 
Hello Rachel, all.

Rachel (NeverBounce) wrote in :

It is a real shame that this tracker calls itself Zendesk and then
requires top-posting.  Being boring as i am, we still cite people
who died several thousand years ago and i, for one, do not top
post them, and would not do so except when being given the option
do or die, and then only with fingers crossed behind the back.
This is trivial and superficial and worthless and without heart
and soul and faith and passion and boring sex it is, too.
This is of course not your fault, Rachel.

 |Rachel (NeverBounce) 
 |Mar 28, 3:33 PM EDT 
 |
 |Hi Viktor,
 |
 |Thank you for the patience as our team reviewed this for you.
 |
 |They have provided the following information which you will find helpful: 
 |
 |In our experience working with email verification, we have found that \
 |the emails with no MX records are often spam traps. There 
 |is a bit of debate on how this should be handled best, but we opt to \
 |listen to the MX records.
 |
 |Please let us know if we can assist any further. We are happy to help!

 |Viktor Szépe 
 |Mar 28, 3:38 PM EDT 
 |
 |Than you Rachel.
 |
 |Sometimes standards and reality part ways.

 |Rachel (NeverBounce) 
 |
 |Mar 28, 3:39 PM EDT 
 |
 |You are very welcome. And that is true.
 |
 |Please let us know if we can help with anything else, we certainly \
 |are most happy to do so.
 |
 |All the best,
 |Rachel

I only wanted to add that there is a SPF entry in the DNS for the
domain (the A RR behind the CNAME RR which is used by the actual
mailing-list).  Since the service the company you work so hard for
offers seems to validate emails i wonder how the heavily pushed
DMARC, DKIM and ARC seals play a role if already (?) SPF is not
used.  But anyway.  RFC 5321 page 69 is glass clear:

  If an empty list of MXs is returned, the address is treated as
  if it was associated with an implicit MX RR, with a preference
  of 0, pointing to that host.

I guess to satisfy this service i have to reinstantiate the MX
record that has been there before Russell Bell started sending to
the resolved CNAME instead of the CNAME itself.

Which i find quite amusing.

##- Please type your reply above this line -##

Ciao, and good night from Germany (in the awakening spring, but
still .. too cold!)

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter   he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

Re: [S-mailx] Fwd: false positive

2019-03-28 Thread Rachel (NeverBounce) 
 ##- Please type your reply above this line -##

You are registered as a CC on this support request (15233). Reply to this
email to add a comment to the request.

*Rachel* (NeverBounce)

Mar 28, 3:39 PM EDT
You are very welcome. And that is true.

Please let us know if we can help with anything else, we certainly are most
happy to do so.

All the best,
Rachel

*Viktor Szépe*

Mar 28, 3:38 PM EDT

Than you Rachel.

Sometimes standards and reality part ways.

Idézem/Quoting "Rachel (NeverBounce)" :

*Rachel* (NeverBounce)

Mar 28, 3:33 PM EDT
Hi Viktor,

Thank you for the patience as our team reviewed this for you.

They have provided the following information which you will find helpful:

In our experience working with email verification, we have found that the
emails with no MX records are often spam traps. There is a bit of debate on
how this should be handled best, but we opt to listen to the MX records.

Please let us know if we can assist any further. We are happy to help!

All the best,
Rachel

*Viktor Szépe*

Mar 28, 10:58 AM EDT

I do understand that a MX-less domain is declared a non-mailing domain
in *modern age*
but the mentioned standard still applies!

Idézem/Quoting "Rachel (NeverBounce)" :

*Rachel* (NeverBounce)

Mar 28, 10:54 AM EDT
Hi  Ralph,

Thank you for the kind words! We are certainly always happy to help our
customers and once we have a bit more information, I will quickly follow up.

Have a wonderful day!

All the best,
Rachel

*Ralph Corderoy*

Mar 27, 6:32 PM EDT

Hi Rachel,

Thanks for your responses, and trying to keep the mailing list in the
loop. I appreciate it takes time on your side and we're in no hurry.
I'm more than happy to just be in contact with someone that knows how to
have the issue examined, whatever the outcome. I've dealt with quite a
few companies over the years in trying to report possible problems and
NeverBounce is doing well in comparison with many of them!

-- 
Cheers, Ralph.

*Rachel* (NeverBounce)

Mar 27, 5:05 PM EDT
Hello,

Thank you for your patience as our team has requested some additional time
to review this matter.

Once the team has followed up, I will be sure to send any and all
information obtained your way.

I do apologize if this ticketing system does not CC the appropriate team
members (this has happened in the past). I have included them in this send.

Thank you again and have a wonderful day!

All the best,
Rachel

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*Rachel* (NeverBounce)

Mar 27, 9:26 AM EDT

Request #15234  "Fwd:
[S-mailx] Fwd: false positive" was closed and merged into this request.
Last comment in request #15234
:

Hello!

Please forward it to your engineers.
Maybe tell them to reread RFC 5321.

Thank you.

- Forwarded message from Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk -
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 10:24:08 +
From: Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk
Subject: Re: [S-mailx] Fwd: false positive
To: Rachel supp...@neverbounce.com
Cc: SZÉPE Viktor vik...@szepe.net, s-mailx@lists.sdaoden.eu

Hi Rachel,

There's discussion on the s-mailx@lists.sdaoden.eu mailing list about a
support reply from neverbounce.com. (Please keep
s-mailx@lists.sdaoden.eu CC'd.)

From: "Rachel (NeverBounce)" supp...@neverbounce.com
To: Viktor Szépe vik...@szepe.net
Subject: Re: false positive
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:40:15 +0100
...
We did have the chance to review the email in question, and it
appears the domain is not configured properly, which is why the
email is being marked as invalid.

For delivering s-mailx@lists.sdaoden.eu, the DNS entries are

 $ dig +nocomment @8.8.8.8 lists.sdaoden.eu.

 ; <<>> DiG 9.13.7 <<>> +nocomment @8.8.8.8 lists.sdaoden.eu.
 ; (1 server found)
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;lists.sdaoden.eu.  IN  A
 lists.sdaoden.eu.   14399   IN  CNAME   sdaoden.eu.
 sdaoden.eu. 14399   IN  A   217.144.132.164
 ;; Query time: 52 msec
 ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
 ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 27 10:12:48 GMT 2019
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 75

 $

RFC 5321, Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, says

 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#section-5

 The lookup first attempts to locate an MX record associated with the
 name.  If a CNAME record is found, the resulting name is processed
 as if it were the initial name.

lists.sdaoden.eu has no MX record, but does have a CNAME for sdaoden.eu
and so that should be then treated as the initial name.

sdaoden.eu has no MX record. This is also covered in that section of
RFC 5321:

 If an empty list of MXs is returned, the address is treated as if it
 was associated with an implicit MX RR, with a preference of 0,
 pointing to that host.

Thus sdaoden.eu is to be treated as an MX RR record. A lookup on that
gives the A record for

Re: [S-mailx] Error + Docker

2019-03-28 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso 
Hello Viktor.

SZÉPE Viktor wrote in <20190328021837.Horde.O8AT6PUZfd2QkhGWP3AGbpf@sze\
pe.net>:
 |Idézem/Quoting Steffen Nurpmeso :
 |> Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in <20190327010321.lxvkj%stef...@sdaoden.eu>:
 |>|SZÉPE Viktor wrote in <20190326185201.Horde.LlAN50Ab4jVY4Q-sF6YFOdh@sze\
 |>|pe.net>:
 |>||1) Anyone can run this s-nail builder container for free on
 |>||https://zeit.co/now
 |>||https://github.com/szepeviktor/debian-server-tools/blob/master/virtualiz\
 |>||\
 |>||ation/s-nail/Dockerfile
 |>|
 |>|That is pretty cool indeed!  I have never ever used a container
 |>|except having the option to log into Jean-Marc's VZGOT, so i will
 |>|definetely have a look!  Thanks!
 |>
 |> I am afraid i lag behind our time.  The former is nodejs, go etc.
 |> we are C, Viktor?  I cannot see there how i could run your
 |> Dockerfile?
 ...
 |I understand you points on Docker. I also keep Docker away my servers,  
 |one client has Docker, and I test s-nail on his server.
 |Although docker has the advantage of clean OS and very fast  
 |startup times even if you start from a very different Linux distro.
 |
 |Zeit now (v2) ceased supporting row Dockerfiles.
 |But on v1 platform with paid plans you may run a Dockerfile by typing  
 |"now" - their CLI tool.
 |
 |https://spectrum.chat/zeit/now/clarify-future-support-of-docker-on-now-p\
 |latform~96985341-e17f-4af4-a330-c726774ed436

I admit i have problems with (american style) business which does
not clearly state what is going on.  But somewhen i have read
there that docker container support will be shut down.
I am too late for that party.

 |Good night to you too!

Thanks.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter   he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)