Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Ralph Corderoy  wrote:
 |> How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing
 |> it.
 |
 |https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style should explain.  In brief,
 |it's common to keep just the pertinent bits of the email you're replying
 |to, "quote" those, I use "> " as do many others, and then intersperse
 |your reply between those quotes, using them for context to give
 |clarification and avoiding repeating their content.
 |
 |But really, people should be forgiving of newcomers that are seeking
 |help and don't understand the local conventions.  :-)

I apologise.
Time getting more and more rude, it seems i am infected.

--steffen

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Donald,

> How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing
> it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style should explain.  In brief,
it's common to keep just the pertinent bits of the email you're replying
to, "quote" those, I use "> " as do many others, and then intersperse
your reply between those quotes, using them for context to give
clarification and avoiding repeating their content.

But really, people should be forgiving of newcomers that are seeking
help and don't understand the local conventions.  :-)

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Ralph Corderoy  wrote:
 |BTW, I suspect the "Dec 31" are in 1969 and the time was zero seconds
 |past the Unix epoch, viewed offset by a negative timezone.

Ah, i see!

  ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ >> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- h@a
  s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500
  s-nail: >>> To: h@a
  s-nail: >>> Subject: test
  s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-364-g4492d1c
  s-nail: >>> 

An Apple a day keeps the Doctor away!

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Donald Mugnai]

How do you post correctly. Explain top posting so I can avoid doing it.


Donald Mugnai
1 Watermill Place Unit 124
Arlington MA 02476
donaldmug...@gmail.com

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso 
wrote:

> Hey.
>
> Please don't top-post on this list, it is really something ugly to
> do, imho.  That would be nice.  If you really want to include the
> entire message you respond to, you could set the internal S-nail
> variable *quote-as-attachment*, for example.  ^.^
>
> Donald Mugnai  wrote:
>  |How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the
> variable \
>  |of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a
> correct
>  |timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31.  Is this a configuration \
>  |issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks
>
> Weeell, after all i mean that if you read the manual ("$ man mail"
> or "$ man s-nail") at least a bit you would know about s-nail and
> settings -- i think "A starter" should be sufficient for this, as
> it "already bends those standard settings a bit towards more user
> friendliness and safety" in s-nail.rc.  And if you look in
> s-nail.rc then you see comments and the `set' command and how it
> sets variables.
>
> This makes me think that my words "if you actually set the
> datefield variable the Date: message header is used" should give
> you the right hint, and i have shown the complete command in my
> second response.
> Baby belly, baby belly.  Maybe the wording could be even simpler,
> and in the other window i have added some more explicit `set'
> references (as opposed to the plain word "Set"/"set") already in
> the Options section of the manual, but in general i think the
> wording hurdles are almost as low as they can get.
>
> For example, on Monday i made a bicycle tour and came along
> a pasture where a cow just had given birth to a young son, just
> a few seconds ago.  She was licking him dry etc.  So i stood there
> for the quarter of an hour until he stood up the first time.  But
> no.. actually not.  He fell pretty fast, and the mother looked
> at me somewhat enraged when i left the scene.  Actually i just
> drove to the other end of the pasture to say hello to the rest
> of the flock, and saw from there his first real standing.
> So i had to get back to this yesterday, and this young man
> actually had a real trauma! and ran, just two days old!, to
> overcome that i left when he was still lying!!  I really hope we
> did that fantastic boy!  He's right!  Yeah!!
>
> So you are saying i should offer wording for humans which have an
> intellectual capacity of less than a 20 minutes to 48 hours old
> young bull?  No, no i don't think i will do that.
>
> --steffen
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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Donald,

BTW, I suspect the "Dec 31" are in 1969 and the time was zero seconds
past the Unix epoch, viewed offset by a negative timezone.

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Donald,

> > How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the
> > variable of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to
> > get is a correct timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31.

Does this help?

$ mail
mail version v14.8.10.  Type ? for help.
"/var/spool/mail/ralph": 3 messages 3 unread
>U  1 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03   14/471
 U  2 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03   14/471
 U  3 Ralph Corderoy Thu Sep 15 15:03   14/471
? set datefield='%Y-%m-%d %T %z %a'
? set headline='%>%a%m %-18f %29d %4l/%-5o %i%-s'
? h
>U  1 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:25 +0100 Thu   14/471
 U  2 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:27 +0100 Thu   14/471
 U  3 Ralph Corderoy 2016-09-15 15:03:28 +0100 Thu   14/471

headline needed altering to use a wider width for %d else datefield's
conversion was truncated.

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Hey.

Please don't top-post on this list, it is really something ugly to
do, imho.  That would be nice.  If you really want to include the
entire message you respond to, you could set the internal S-nail
variable *quote-as-attachment*, for example.  ^.^

Donald Mugnai  wrote:
 |How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable \
 |of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct 
 |timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31.  Is this a configuration \
 |issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks

Weeell, after all i mean that if you read the manual ("$ man mail"
or "$ man s-nail") at least a bit you would know about s-nail and
settings -- i think "A starter" should be sufficient for this, as
it "already bends those standard settings a bit towards more user
friendliness and safety" in s-nail.rc.  And if you look in
s-nail.rc then you see comments and the `set' command and how it
sets variables.

This makes me think that my words "if you actually set the
datefield variable the Date: message header is used" should give
you the right hint, and i have shown the complete command in my
second response.
Baby belly, baby belly.  Maybe the wording could be even simpler,
and in the other window i have added some more explicit `set'
references (as opposed to the plain word "Set"/"set") already in
the Options section of the manual, but in general i think the
wording hurdles are almost as low as they can get.

For example, on Monday i made a bicycle tour and came along
a pasture where a cow just had given birth to a young son, just
a few seconds ago.  She was licking him dry etc.  So i stood there
for the quarter of an hour until he stood up the first time.  But
no.. actually not.  He fell pretty fast, and the mother looked
at me somewhat enraged when i left the scene.  Actually i just
drove to the other end of the pasture to say hello to the rest
of the flock, and saw from there his first real standing.
So i had to get back to this yesterday, and this young man
actually had a real trauma! and ran, just two days old!, to
overcome that i left when he was still lying!!  I really hope we
did that fantastic boy!  He's right!  Yeah!!

So you are saying i should offer wording for humans which have an
intellectual capacity of less than a 20 minutes to 48 hours old
young bull?  No, no i don't think i will do that.

--steffen

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Stephen Isard]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote:

> How do you "configure the way the headline is displayed with the variable
> of the same name[1]" In the s-nail.rc file? All I want to get is a correct
> timestamp for my messages instead of Dec 31.  Is this a configuration
> issue? If so, what do you configure? What is name[1]? Thanks

Try putting the line
set datefield
in your .mailrc file.

Stephen Isard

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

i wrote:
 |Donald Mugnai  wrote:
 ||As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year.
 |
 |Ok, you can configure the way the headline is displayed with the
 |variable of the same name[1], and the date display via
 |datefield[2].  By default the date that is in the so-called From_
 |line of a message is displayed here, but if you actually set the
 |datefield variable the Date: message header is used for this
 |purpose.  You can use the `Show' command[3] to see the complete
 |message, or use Stephen's suggestion to see the From_ line.

That is to say, the From_ line is a property of the MBOX database
message format, it tracks the sender of the message and the time
the message was received locally.  The Maildir format stores the
receiving time as part of the filename instead.  Etc.  So by
default you do see the date and time the message was locally
received / stored, rather than the date and time that the message
has been sent.  This is often surprising, i personally always have
used *datefield* (as in "set datefield='%R %Y-%m-%d'") due to
this.
Ciao!

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Donald Mugnai]

Thanks for your reply.
I could not find the newest release at the url that you indicated. It is an
invalid link.
As for your question all the timestamp says is Dec 31. No year.
Is this a bug in s-nail?


Donald Mugnai
1 Watermill Place Unit 124
Arlington MA 02476
donaldmug...@gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso 
wrote:

> Hello Donald.  Welcome.
>
> I am a bit late, as i wanted to get the most of the last three
> days of summer in Germany, the last being, well, today.
>
> Donald Mugnai  wrote:
>  |The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time \
>  |is correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug?
>  |
>  |don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail
>  |s-nail version v14.8.6.  Type ? for help.
>
> Pretty old and, fwiw, this is the last version that has been
> released at Sourceforge.net?  The newest release balls are here:
>
>   https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}}
>
> Just in case...
>
>  |"/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new
>  | O  1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/450   test  \
>
> Hm.  Oh, i really hope i can release v14.9 earlier than that?
> I will "release" the preview-1 today (or tomorrow), and that has
> support for reproducable builds, so you can get there:
>
>   ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$  SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH=1420052400 TZ=UTC \
> s-nail -:/ -ds test hey@you
>   s-nail: >>> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- hey@you
>   s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:00:00 +
>   s-nail: >>> To: hey@you
>   s-nail: >>> Subject: test
>   s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-347-g0be4b7a
>   s-nail: >>>
>
> 2014?  Or 2025?  What do you mean by Wednesday, December 31?
> Falling short somewhat unenlightened,
> ciao from (still sunny) Germany,
>
> --steffen
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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Hello Donald.  Welcome.

I am a bit late, as i wanted to get the most of the last three
days of summer in Germany, the last being, well, today.

Donald Mugnai  wrote:
 |The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time \
 |is correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug?
 |
 |don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail
 |s-nail version v14.8.6.  Type ? for help.

Pretty old and, fwiw, this is the last version that has been
released at Sourceforge.net?  The newest release balls are here:

  https://www.sdaoden.eu/downloads/s-nail-latest.tar{,.{asc,gz,xz}}

Just in case...

 |"/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new
 | O  1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/450   test  \

Hm.  Oh, i really hope i can release v14.9 earlier than that?
I will "release" the preview-1 today (or tomorrow), and that has
support for reproducable builds, so you can get there:

  ?0[steffen@wales nail.git]$ >> MTA: /usr/sbin/sendmail, arguments: sendmail -i -- hey@you
  s-nail: >>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:00:00 +
  s-nail: >>> To: hey@you
  s-nail: >>> Subject: test
  s-nail: >>> User-Agent: s-nail v14.8.10-347-g0be4b7a
  s-nail: >>> 

2014?  Or 2025?  What do you mean by Wednesday, December 31?
Falling short somewhat unenlightened,
ciao from (still sunny) Germany,

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Stephen Isard]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Donald Mugnai donaldmugnai-at-gmail.com |s-nail| wrote:

...
> "/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new
> O  1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/450   test
> O  2 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   15/501   NewTest
>> N  3 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/469   test with donmail
...

What does the command
grep "^From " /home/don/Maildir
give you?

Stephen Isard

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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Donald Mugnai]

The timestamp on all my mail messages is Dec 31 however system time is
correct. What do I need to change? Is this a s-nail bug?

don@don-VGN-NS240E:~$ mail
s-nail version v14.8.6.  Type ? for help.
"/home/don/Maildir": 3 messages 1 new
 O  1 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/450   test
 O  2 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   15/501   NewTest
>N  3 DonWed Dec 31 19:00   14/469   test with donmail
? q


Donald Mugnai
1 Watermill Place Unit 124
Arlington MA 02476
donaldmug...@gmail.com

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Ralph Corderoy 
wrote:

> Hi Donald,
>
> > See my other email for a printout.
>
> Us other list members don't have access to what you sent back to the
> list before.  If you still have the original, please forward the text to
> the list.
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
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Re: [S-nail] Possible bug in s-nail on timestamp of Dec 31

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Donald,

> See my other email for a printout.

Us other list members don't have access to what you sent back to the
list before.  If you still have the original, please forward the text to
the list.

Cheers, Ralph.

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