[sage-devel] Re: VOTE: code of conduct - ends Monday at midnight, PST.

2014-11-23 Thread Georg S. Weber
[ X] Yes -- adopt the code of conduct -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage library license

2014-02-24 Thread Georg S. Weber
Uh oh. Splendid. License discussion (again). Since GPL v3+ is not compatible with GPL v2 (without +), a change from GPL v2+ to GPL v3+ would mean a change to a more restrictive license. IIRC, Sage-the-library always was intended to be GPL v2+, while Sage-the-distribution might have

[sage-devel] Re: Sage library license

2014-02-24 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Monday, 24 February 2014 15:57:23 UTC+1, Georg S. Weber wrote: Uh oh. Splendid. License discussion (again). Since GPL v3+ is not compatible with GPL v2 (without +), a change from GPL v2+ to GPL v3+ would mean a change to a more restrictive license. IIRC, Sage-the-library always

[sage-devel] Re: Pkgconfig as standard spkg

2014-02-02 Thread Georg S. Weber
+1 to distributing and using our own pkgconfig. One problem I found in rewriting the location-moving code above is that there are some cool features of newer pkgconfigs that we couldn't necessarily take advantage of on older systems. Thanks, Jason +1 and keep your good

[sage-devel] Re: git trac command

2013-12-25 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Wednesday, 25 December 2013 21:36:45 UTC+1, Volker Braun wrote: I've been working on a git trac subcommand to complement the git suite with trac integration instead of the separate UI that the sage -dev scripts present. This project is the basis for my release management scripts, so I

Re: [sage-devel] review and rebase workflow with git

2013-12-18 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:59:00 UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2013-12-18 08:24, Robert Bradshaw wrote: 7. But since the u/johndoe/tracabcde branch misses everything that went into Sage in between 6.1 and 6.2, I suppose the first thing I now should do is: git merge

[sage-devel] review and rebase workflow with git

2013-12-17 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi all, I've been reading docs (good job done, BTW!) and experimenting a bit with git in the past days to get acquaintance with the new git workflow for Sage trac tickets. There's a common situation I didn't find well described yet, and I wanted to ask whether my thoughts/my intuition is

[sage-devel] Re: Trouble compilng 5.12

2013-10-12 Thread Georg S. Weber
FWIW, let me try to explain some background. The PIL package build system checks for various alternatives (build with or without Tcl/TK support, build with our without jpeg support, etc.), but does that in a highly selfmade way, which not always works. Sage does not need PIL to be built with

[sage-devel] Re: The 2013 Spies Prize winner is...

2013-06-25 Thread Georg S. Weber
Jeroen, our congratulations --- you do deserve this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-11 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, I tried to prepare my OS X 10.4 MacIntel system as good as possible for Volker (or any other that would want to help) to ssh in, installing the most recent Sage version, the problematic new package, and so on. In the course of doing so, I found out that OS X 10.4 on MacIntel is

[sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:49:42 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: Intel OSX 10.4 might be good enough. Would be worth a shot. My ssh public key is at http://www.stp.dias.ie/~vbraun/Sage/id_dsa.pub Hi, first thanks to everybody for their supportive messages! @Volker: Would you prefer

[sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Sunday, 2 September 2012 12:50:22 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: Something in our OSX 10.4 build uses the reference blas instead of the accelerate framework. See http://trac.sagemath.org/10508 for some heroic efforts by Karl-Dieter to debug this by word of mouth, but thats just not

[sage-devel] Re: Implementation of Farey symbols

2012-07-23 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, as usual my apoplogies for not having so really much time to work on Sage lately (for quite some time now, to be honest). I hadn't heard of the terminus Schreier Graph before, but I think that the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schreier_coset_graph; hits the mark. Using

[sage-devel] Re: FreeModule basis coercion

2012-06-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Jan, it is my feeling that Nils is absolutely right with his remark. I looked myself quickly through http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/sage/matrix/matrix_integer_dense.html and what is written there about LLL --- there are at least two number theoretic packages mentioned there, that

[sage-devel] Re: new computer - any special Lion instructions?

2012-06-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Wednesday, 6 June 2012 04:11:24 UTC+2, kcrisman wrote: So although my 3-year-old MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard on it works fine, due to warranty issues my employer is basically forcing me to get a new machine. (I won't be paying for it, or I'd say no - I love this little guy.) I'm

[sage-devel] Re: FreeModule basis coercion

2012-06-05 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:01:08 UTC+2, Jan Pöschko wrote: Hi everyone, I am working on the Summer of Code Lattices projecthttp://gsoc-sage-lattices.blogspot.comand ran into a problem when trying to subclass Lattice from FreeModule_submodule_with_basis_pid. If I'm getting it right,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: C build problems on MacOS 10.7 Lion.

2012-05-24 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:26:52 UTC+2, Jason Ekstrand wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Sorry I haven't got back to you on this. Is XCode installed on the 10.7 laptop? Also, I notice that the error messages seem to indicate that

Re: [sage-devel] GCC package (#12369) needs review

2012-04-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
Ah, maybe the link went to a wrong email. I meant the email by Georg S. Weber which says: the approach to include our own GCC 4.5.1 is doomed to fail. and explains why, to which William replied I think you really know what you're talking about.. And since you did it and it seems

Re: [sage-devel] Re: which sage should i download for evaluation purposes on Snow Leopard?

2012-04-05 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Anthony, thank you very much for your report! I just checked all the mirrors, and except for one ( Universidade Federal do Paraná, Brazil http://sagemath.c3sl.ufpr.br/osx/index.html) it seems all now provide the ...p0.. app dmg's. It always takes some time to synchronize for all the

[sage-devel] Re: which sage should i download for evaluation purposes on Snow Leopard?

2012-04-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
ImportError: No module named _socket That sort of breakage should be fixed by the OS X ...-app.p0.dmg's (note the p0) --- there was a trac a trac ticket and several discussions. I don't think it has something to do with the bitness, i.e. 32 vs. 64. Did you really use an older dmg without

Re: [sage-devel] Re: which sage should i download for evaluation purposes on Snow Leopard?

2012-04-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Thursday, 5 April 2012 00:44:28 UTC+2, Anthony Durity wrote: To be very clear about this to avoid confusion. I have a white Macbook about 3 years old, designated a Macbook5,2 http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.13-white-13-mid-2009-nvidia-specs.html

[sage-devel] Re: Call for vote: remove MoinMoin?

2012-03-27 Thread Georg S. Weber
On Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:10:50 UTC+2, John H Palmieri wrote: This topic has been brought up here before as side notes in various threads, but I'd like to discuss it more officially: Should we remove MoinMoin as a standard package? [x ] Yes [ ] No If yes, I'm assuming we should

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 16 Mrz., 01:52, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: Should we invite Linus to do a demo release for us (unless Jeroen objects)? /me *hides* Greg KH has some nice series in his blog about certain kinds of requests, see http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/maintainer-06.html -- To post to

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Keshav, that's the diagram I have the most stomachache with: (snip) How it would work given current practices - (snip) 5) Another release is made, incorporating the developer's changes (X, M, and Y), but first backing out the changes made in A,

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Georg S. Weber
Frankly said, it is currently *too easy* (for the release manager) to abandon changes made to previous, already published [devel] releases -- as if they never happened.  And whether that's beneficial to the development and review process is at least questionable. 2ct, -leif Hi Leif, I

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 14 Mrz., 20:43, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2012-03-14 19:20, Keshav Kini wrote: If we switch to git, as I understand we eventually will, patches (commits) made from an older dev release will be considered to not apply (not be mergeable) a lot more often than merely

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Keshav, honestly, I don't believe that what you describe, are arguments against the workflow as such --- but rather arguments against waiting for too long before releasing a new official version. Sage 4.7.2 was released in last November, Sage 4.8 in January, and now it is March and Sage 5.0

[sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
When you say relocatable, do you mean the entire directory? For example, Yes! mv ~/src/sage-5.0.beta5 ~/src/sage-old ? I'm not sure how prefix handles that, but I can check. I'm sure we could make /sage/ work, but the rest of the prefix system might be trickier. (Why would you want

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 6 Mrz., 11:44, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com writes:  Hi Keshav, honestly, I don't believe that what you describe, are arguments against the workflow as such --- but rather arguments against waiting for too long before releasing

[sage-devel] Re: Releasing more often?

2012-03-06 Thread Georg S. Weber
Jeroen, what do you think about this? * The main bottleneck in Sage releasing is testing. It takes a lot of time to test stuff on the Buildbot and we need some time during the release candidate phase for other people to test Sage. On 6 Mrz., 12:28, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be

[sage-devel] Re: Is Sage a pure Python/Cython library?

2012-03-02 Thread Georg S. Weber
Well, as for the original question(s), the answer is No, the Sage core library is not a pure Python/Cython library, so yes, essentially you can include C/C++ code. --- there are already other examples (I think some code of David Harvey for example). I think formally, the way of the integration

[sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-02 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, ... (too much) of the work that goes into sage is fixing external packages -- that work would be better spent working on the sage library ... Yes, I do share that insight, for quite some time now. It's good to see, that others think alike! Does it concern you that the support matrix at

[sage-devel] Re: Sage mini-manual in Catalan

2012-02-27 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, to my knowledge, Prof. Jordi Quer from Barcelona both speaks Catalan and knows Sage, so he might give valuable input. If the format/ licensing issues are clarified, maybe we should ask him to be the reviewer? Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?

2012-02-21 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi all, I finally could verify that the patch at trac 12161 is good, i.e. heals not only the original problem for OS X 10.7, but the _PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUTF8String incarnation, too (at least on one of my own OS X 10.6 installations --- try starting a Sage app after (closing all Sage and all terminal

[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?

2012-02-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, interesting. I have the faint hope that the fix at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12161 (which I hope to review this weekend --- it requires building twice a Sage app on OS X 10.6, and then test these on OS X 10.7) will also cure this. Even though this new report is on OS X 10.6!

[sage-devel] Re: xcode and gcc

2012-01-27 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, so far, three distinct topics evolved in this thread: 1. Make Sage not needing a C compiler, when one changed only .py files and then types sage -b. That's the topic of trac #12365 (see the original post), and up to now, I read only supportive comments (to which I say +1 also). 2.

[sage-devel] Re: xcode and gcc

2012-01-26 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi William, unlike OS X 10.7 Lion (for which no official install DVDs exist), OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard came with/on a install DVD (either with the Mac when one bought it, or when one bought Snow Leopard later). And on those DVD(s), there is also the XCode 3.x package --- to the best of my

[sage-devel] Re: VirtualBox

2012-01-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
but its less error prone imho. This is probably true.  VirtualBox is massively more widely used. When we used to distribute a coLinux version of Sage (in 2006), I remember watching many Windows laptops crash hard due to their low-level driver.   But that was 5 years ago, and things may

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on openSUSE 12.1

2011-12-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 8 Dez., 23:54, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: I think I'll be able to say more if you show me the install.log ;-) I agree. Possibly, some lightly tweaked new readline spkg solves this problem. But to have chance, a bit more information seems to be needed. Cheers, Georg -- To

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on openSUSE 12.1

2011-12-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, after reading the discussion at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10572 it occured to me that as a rule, rules comes with exceptions. More precisely, renaming the readline library that is bundled with sage as sage-readline and adapting the R spkg to look for sage- readline (I don't

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on openSUSE 12.1

2011-12-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 9 Dez., 15:24, Julien Puydt julien.pu...@laposte.net wrote: Le 09/12/2011 09:28, Georg S. Weber a crit : What about making sage use the system readline by default instead? Snark on #sagemath Hi Julien, unfortunately, there are some OSes (I think Solaris was one of them?!), where

[sage-devel] Re: Matplotlib uses Wrong Version of freetype when macports is installed

2011-12-08 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi felix, thanks for your report! You may argue, that macports shouldn't override anything in the first place, but I think Sage should be robust against this problem. You're perfectly right, we know that, and there's work in progress by several developers on it. The correct solution would

[sage-devel] Re: Why does pari need 1Gig of memory allocated?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 18:18, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2011-11-15 18:09, Maarten Derickx wrote: I think 102400 byte wich is about 1 gigabyte is a bit to much to allocate just at once. So the main question is where does this number come from and why is it so huge? The

[sage-devel] Re: integrating spkg-check and spkg-install?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 20:03, Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com wrote: I'm building a new spkg for PIL 1.1.7. I'd like to build PIL, then run its test suite, then if that passes, install it.  Should I just do all of that in spkg-install, or should I run the test suite in spkg-check?  If I install it

[sage-devel] Re: why unpack the source packages?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 20:29, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a bit unclear as to why third-party source packages are unpacked in an spkg?  Since the patching protocol is very strict, would it make sense for me to

[sage-devel] Re: why unpack the source packages?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 21:38, Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com wrote: Fine with me. But if the src directory is allowed to be a modified version of upstream, why not just integrate the Sage-specific patches directly into the sources, too? Bill On Nov 15, 11:29 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com

[sage-devel] Re: integrating spkg-check and spkg-install?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 21:35, Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com wrote: Georg, I'll fix those problems (unwanted binaries in $SAGE_LOCAL/bin/, and linking against unintended libraries), in my new spkg. Please be careful to not throw away too much. Some people buidling Sage from source do *want* a

[sage-devel] Re: talk about sage -i and sage -f in the developer's guide?

2011-11-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Nov., 18:51, Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice if the developer's guide talked about using sage -i and sage -f to test new spkg's.  In the section about building spkg's, perhaps. Yes. Two or three sentences, maybe? I think you could better formulate what you

[sage-devel] Re: Encoding of .py files

2011-11-12 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 11 Nov., 19:16, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: Is there a requirement that all Sage .py files should be ASCII or is UTF8 also accepted? It seems that Sphinx 1.1.2 (#10620) cares more about this: at #10112 there is a patch with a 0xd0 byte (which is neither ASCII neither

[sage-devel] Re: or sage-5.0? (Re: [sage-release] Next release: sage-4.7.3 or sage-4.8?)

2011-11-11 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 10 Nov., 13:33, Maarten Derickx m.derickx.stud...@gmail.com wrote: I like your ideas about guest distributions Georg. Thanks! The missing thing you describe: a way to tell the host distrubution on what packages we depend is not really the missing thing. I think a way to make sage

[sage-devel] Re: or sage-5.0? (Re: [sage-release] Next release: sage-4.7.3 or sage-4.8?)

2011-11-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 9 Nov., 00:12, Maarten Derickx m.derickx.stud...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like there are two groups of people here with different interests. One is the group whose main goal (at least as related to this discussion, since the main goal of sage is different) to make sage easily available

[sage-devel] Re: or sage-5.0? (Re: [sage-release] Next release: sage-4.7.3 or sage-4.8?)

2011-11-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
So to summarize what's above : 1) I can help with a win32 port, but by cross-compiling, as I know it's efficient ; 2) in fact, helping with a win32 port would be a natural follow-up to my current work on the ARM port ; 3) but that won't be an easy ride (especially if I'm all alone as for

[sage-devel] Re: Upstream projects

2011-09-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 4 Sep., 08:47, daly d...@axiom-developer.org wrote: The Cost of Going it Alone by Dave Nearyhttp://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/09/01/the-cost-of-going-it-alone/ Yeah, nice post. Let's look at two absolute core components of Sage, the versions of which shipped with the current Sage-4.7.1

[sage-devel] Re: website/download stats

2011-08-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
Cool! There are still on average one hundred people per month to download one of the OS X 10.4 versions. It makes me happy to see, that providing these versions is still of value for so many users. Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To

[sage-devel] Re: Solving a gcd equation for polynomials

2011-05-25 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 25 Mai, 08:18, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: I'm wondering if Sage has the following function for polynomials over a field.  Mostly, I don't know if it is a common thing to expect, and if so, I have no idea what it would be called.  So a pointer would be of real help, if it  

[sage-devel] Re: Windows port status

2011-04-19 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 19 Apr., 13:27, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, and we'd

[sage-devel] Re: sage gentoo prefix

2011-04-13 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Burcin, it would be complicated and requires that we change the current setup. We currently don't ship the hg tree at all. We disable -b -ba and -upgrade. Reenabling any of these will negate the benefit of having a package manager. That is you will get files that are not tracked anymore

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi all, interesting thread, let me toss in my 2 cents. There are also Linux distributions which do not have gcc installed by default, so users might fall into the Cython is not usable trap, too. Python, from v2.7 on, has some new module called sysconfig (see

[sage-devel] Re: .hg and build directories in binary tarball?

2011-04-07 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 7 Apr., 18:50, IanSR ijsto...@hkl.hms.harvard.edu wrote: Are .hg and build directories supposed to be in the binary tarballs?   I'm looking, in particular, at *

[sage-devel] Sage in the media: article in German computer magazine c't 5/2011

2011-02-12 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Sage-devel, since I visited the Heise publisher booth at the Cebit 1988, I'm a subscriber of the German computer magazine c't, and get it once a fortnight. The newest issue 05/2011, that I got today, has a full one- page (page 69) article about Sage (see e.g. weblink

[sage-devel] Re: build error for sage 4.6.1 on OS X 10.5.8

2011-01-29 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hmm, the important information seem to be: a) You try to build Sage on Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard). b) There's a -m64 in the third line of your output, i.e. the build system tries to build a 64-bit library. (Then it seems that qdCocoa.o is only a 32-bit object file, hence rejected, hence later some

[sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-29 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Sage-Devel, this January I worked on two topics. Firstly, getting Sage working as an integral part of Gentoo Prefix (a hosted distribution, like Cygwin, MacPorts, ...), under three host OSes: 32-bit OS X 10.4, 64-bit OS X 10.6, and Maemo 5 (a Debian-based 32-bit Linux on my N900 mobile) ---

[sage-devel] Re: Should Sage include its own gcc ? It would add = 1.6 MB to the Sage tarball.

2010-12-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
I think you really know what you're talking about. I agree with your remarks above, especially points 1 and 2 above, and your remarks about the difficulty of building GCC itself and having different coexisting GCC's at once are exactly right. Shall we start taking some genuine steps

[sage-devel] Re: Should Sage include its own gcc ? It would add = 1.6 MB to the Sage tarball.

2010-12-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 16 Dez., 14:56, leif not.rea...@online.de wrote: On 16 Dez., 13:11, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo-prefix uses rpath instead of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH kludge, very good! But this also means that there won't be any binary distributions (even in their current broken

[sage-devel] Re: Should Sage include its own gcc ? It would add = 1.6 MB to the Sage tarball.

2010-12-15 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 14 Dez., 16:36, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: actually, this idea won't fly on OSX, IMHO. Using a non-Xcode compiler on OSX looks next to impossible. On OS X, the approach to include our own GCC 4.5.1 is doomed to fail. We could ship our own gcc-apple 4.2.1 for all supported Mac

[sage-devel] Re: Does a doc test require a compiler?

2010-11-24 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Dave, to be able to process a *.pyx file (as the doctest definitely seems to do), yes, you need a compiler (either C or even C++, depending on the .pyx file). If you want to load/attach *.pyx files, the same applies. (Behind the scenes, Cython is used to generate out of the *.pyx file a *.c,

[sage-devel] Re: why are there two copies of the Sage library in devel/sage/build?

2010-11-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Watch out, there are are dragons ... :-) Let me try to give you some answers nevertheless (which might be neither correct nor complete). Essentially, Sage uses the classical Python setuptools/distutils, with some proprietary enhancements for Cython support. Classically, you have a python

[sage-devel] Re: All of sage as a python library

2010-11-01 Thread Georg S. Weber
This post is about:    (1) Concern about distutils/setuptools/etc., is misplaced.    (2) Python3 and librarifying Sage. First, all this discussion about distutils/setuptools/david cournapeau, etc., is actually mostly IRRELEVANT to making the core Sage library into a standalone library.  

[sage-devel] Re: Is it *really* necessary for everyone to download fortran.spkg ?

2010-10-27 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Francois, Well thanks for the plug for our work. We are quite happy to develop the prefix :-) part of sage-on-gentoo, so far the effort has been limited but if you are testing it on an arch we are quite happy to try to get as much as possible keyworded. Is the keywording the most

[sage-devel] Re: Is it *really* necessary for everyone to download fortran.spkg ?

2010-10-26 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi folks, for sime time now, there is a tendency of the Sage distribution to become unmaintanable (only minutes ago, I read the upteenth message thread and trac ticket about the recurrent Suse Linux 11.x/Arch Linux bash/readline issue ...). There are several possibilities/ways to go. One way I

[sage-devel] Re: call for comment: matplotlib config directory in SAGE_LOCAL/etc/

2010-09-30 Thread Georg S. Weber
Set the matplotlib configuration and cache directory to $SAGE_LOCAL/etc/matplotlib Advantages:    * Each sage directory would have its own cache of font locations (needed since some of those fonts are inside the sage directory). Disadvantages:    * To have a matplotlib custom

[sage-devel] Re: import scipy failing in sage 4.6.alpha1

2010-09-24 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 24 Sep., 09:40, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Niles, On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Niles nil...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something easy I forgot to do? I couldn't even get Sage to compile successfully on that machine. Doing a serial compilation with $ make

[sage-devel] Re: Cloning is frustratingly slow

2010-08-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 3 Aug., 08:34, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: I just built a clone in about a minute.  On a fresh install of 4.5.2.rc0 created from source.  Maybe with a binary install, the docs need to be built on the first clone? No, the problem is with relocation, but not with binary

[sage-devel] Re: hyperbolic geometry and fundamental domains for subgroups of PSL(2,ZZ)

2010-07-28 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 23 Jul., 01:38, Vincent D 20100.delecr...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you very much for the precise answers. I need to do some computations with subgroups of PSL(2,Z) (not only beautiful drawings). I also implemented some stuff to do the things I want but it would be nice to fit the general

[sage-devel] Re: hyperbolic geometry and fundamental domains for subgroups of PSL(2,ZZ)

2010-07-21 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hello Vincent, just a couple of remarks: 1. This is exactly the type of threads I think that would belong to sage-nt rather than sage-devel 2. Using kind of graph methods it is definitely possible to give better enumerations of both coset representatives and generators than e.g.

[sage-devel] Re: OSX tester wanted

2010-07-05 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 5 Jul., 18:03, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: On 07/ 5/10 11:14 AM, Fran ois Bissey wrote: Hi, In making a patch for ticket #9097 I simplified the logic of the building sage_clib on OSX and 64 bit platforms. It works for Dave on solaris 64 bits. But it would be

[sage-devel] Why I love the open-ness of Sage

2010-07-04 Thread Georg S. Weber
Yeah, I do favor working with Sage over, say, working with Magma, because if I run into a bug like this (nice one, eh'?): {{{ sage: V = span([[1/7,0,0] ,[0,1,0]], ZZ); V Free module of degree 3 and rank 2 over Integer Ring Echelon basis matrix: [1/7 0 0] [ 0 1 0] sage: T =

[sage-devel] Re: Python process going long after Sage is exited?

2010-07-02 Thread Georg S. Weber
I've seen this on Tiger too, and it might be related to doctesting (which both of us do rather extensively, I guess, but probably not the average user). Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: Vote on making GNU patch a standard package

2010-07-01 Thread Georg S. Weber
Since Sage already has lots and lots of batteries included, I agree to say that we should be careful about whether additional spkgs are really needed. I vote -1 to the inclusion of an additional patch.spkg. May I assume there is consensus about mercurial (once successfully installed) provides

[sage-devel] Re: sage-on-gentoo status at version 4.4.4

2010-06-30 Thread Georg S. Weber
Great work! Actually, it makes me think about installing Gentoo just to test this (I do know I don't have the time for this, but it does wet my mouth nevertheless). Two further comments from me below: Outstanding issues: ... -pexpect: version 2 is outdated, version 2.4 has trouble with

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.4 doctest failure on Mac PPC

2010-06-29 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 29 Jun., 04:04, Mike Hansen mhan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: I remember that once Michael Abshoff had created some mechanism to make the Sage/Maxima interface (i.e. the pexpect interface in general) produce

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.4 doctest failure on Mac PPC

2010-06-28 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 28 Jun., 19:28, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: I know there are not tons of PPC users still on these lists, but I wanted to ask whether they had seen something weird when testing sage/ interfaces/maxima.py.  Namely, there is a guaranteed timeout (even with SAGE_TIMEOUT=1)!  

[sage-devel] Re: maxima

2010-06-23 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi Ralf, as far as I know, ECL hardcodes some paths to its internals in some non-standard way. That is not a problem, unless the Sage install is moved to a different directory than it was built in. Then, an environment variable ECL_DIR (or something like that) has to be set, in order for ECL to

[sage-devel] Re: Call for vote: make top-level identity_matrix and zero_matrix constructors return mutable matrices again

2010-06-13 Thread Georg S. Weber
Yes. Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org

[sage-devel] Re: matplotlib is reading old system headers, in preference to Sage ones.

2010-06-12 Thread Georg S. Weber
I mean what will happen on OS X? I have pkg-config installed automatically via MacPorts, so at least some OSX systems will have the program.  In the case of matplotlib, it looks like it has a fallback (which is taken care of in the patches in the update spkg) Thanks, Jason If one

[sage-devel] Re: Sage OSX Clickable App

2010-06-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 10 Jun., 02:37, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Karl-Dieter just showed me how to get the OSX App built using sage -bdist: export SAGE_APP_BUNDLE=yes sage -bdist 4.4.2-app There are people I know that would *love* to have a clickable app on OSX.  Why do we not have this

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.4.alpha0 released / build reports

2010-06-08 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 8 Jun., 10:21, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: Built fine and all (ptestlong) tests passed on 32-but Suse and 64-bit ubuntu. John Same for MacIntel OS X 10.4 (32bit). Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from

[sage-devel] Re: Is R used as a library, or just as a command ?

2010-06-01 Thread Georg S. Weber
Just one thought: problems may arise with libraries which are used by both the R binary and certain other binaries from Sage. E.g. iconv comes to my mind. Probably one has to invest a greater-than-normal amount of care (w.r.t. environment variable settings and such), to ensure that R *as well as

[sage-devel] Re: Run doctests for external projects

2010-05-30 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 29 Mai, 08:03, Martin Raum martin.r...@matha.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, The output is indeed sage -t -verbose jacobiforms/jacobiformd1nn_fegenerators.py Traceback (most recent call last):   File /home/martin/.sage// tmp/.doctest_jacobiformd1nn_fegenerators.py, line 18, in module    

[sage-devel] Re: Run doctests for external projects

2010-05-28 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 27 Mai, 21:40, Martin Raum martin.r...@matha.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi all, I've got an extern project, namely, which is not currently part of the Sage tree. Now, I want to start using doctests and I wonder how to do it. Sage reports a mysterious error.     sage -t  

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.1 build failures with gcc 4.4.1 on SUSE 11.2

2010-05-20 Thread Georg S. Weber
It also looks like that works fine now, too. I am now seeing an error message when starting the sage notebook - see below. If I displayhttp://localhost:8000instead ofhttp://localhost:8000/?startup_token=ae62addaf110060a2765c595ea17d16 the notebook works OK. Best, Paul Thank you very

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.1 build failures with gcc 4.4.1 on SUSE 11.2

2010-05-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, these are two (if not three) very different kinds of problems. 1. The readline story on OpenSuse 11.1, 11.2, ArchLinux with Sage Looking at what was done for OpenSuse 11.1 64bit: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4946 and/or for ArchLinux

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.1 build failures with gcc 4.4.1 on SUSE 11.2

2010-05-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
Sorry for replying to myself, but I just found this in the current readline spkg's install script: ... if [ -f /etc/SuSE-release ]; then if [ `grep 11.1 /etc/SuSE-release /dev/null; echo $?` -eq 0 ]; then echo OpenSUSE 11.1 detected if [ -d /usr/include/readline/ ]; then

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.1 build failures with gcc 4.4.1 on SUSE 11.2

2010-05-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
Well, one last try, before I give up. You should have a (temporary) directory /home/leopardi/src/Sage/sage-4.4.1/spkg/build/ symmetrica-2.0.p5/. In its subdirectory src/ there is a file makefile. Change its last line (line 12) from $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -lm test.c bar.o bi.o boe.o bruch.o

[sage-devel] Re: Call for votes on Sage for Mac OS X

2010-05-11 Thread Georg S. Weber
2.) Having done this (or even not), shall we deliver the Mac OS X binary distributions in one and the same directory, i.e. discard the distinction (see E above) between intel and powerpc binary directories? (This would imply that we should add some mechanism(s) in the Sage binaries to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.2.alpha0 released

2010-05-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
On MacIntel OS X 10.4, building sage-4.4.2.alpha0 from scratch, the build finishes, but I see three new issues. I'll describe them in three different posts. (Note that with sage-4.4.1, on the same machine, I had done a full make testlong, which succeeded flawlessly). The first on seems to be a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.2.alpha0 released

2010-05-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
The second problem occurs in a long only doctest, but probably occurs now on any machine. From what I guess skipping through the patches newly applied to sage-4.4.2.alpha0, I'd suspect #8479: Wilfried Huss: numpy support for more basic functions [Reviewed by Burcin Erocal] , but this might be

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.4.2.alpha0 released

2010-05-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
The third issue I se with sage-4.4.2-alpha0 is the following. I did the usual export SAGE_BINARY_BUILD=yes (the PIL spkg does not build for me without this additional environment variable, something that is accepted) and export MAKE='make -j2' (my machine has a Core2Duo CPU, so there), and

[sage-devel] Call for votes on Sage for Mac OS X

2010-05-10 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi sage-devel, currently, there are several issues. I've got a bit spare time right now to work on them, but can't do that alone. Help, and helpful comments, are appreciated. Some technicalities: Mac OS X runs on PowerPC and Intel CPUs (iPhone OS runs also on ARM, but that does not matter for us

[sage-devel] Re: Compilation failure with 4.4 on Macbook Pro

2010-05-07 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 7 Mai, 19:09, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:         Hi! I have a user who installed Sage 4.4 (binary) on a MacBook Pro. She used sage -clone to create a new branch for creating a ticket. The compilation fails with the same error message about MulHIUL as in:        

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