Re: keyboard membrane replacement

[warren]

I can't speak for anyone else, but if you are going to send replies,  
please make them at least vaguely relevant. This is a place for  
discussing SAM related items, NOT vodaphone contracts, especially when  
they have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand.


Quoting Roger Jowett :


are you sure if you work for voda phone you can send a letter asking
for £200 for cancellation of contract after all 85kbps is exactly the
same as the advertised 28.8mbps connection
refund anyone?

On 06/06/2011, Rich Mellor  wrote:

Hi Warren,

If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out
replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not
returned them for a refund.

I will of course keep people updated

Rich


On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Hi Rich,
Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the
membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and
discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and
mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet.

If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements
free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for
a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a
refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date
one way or the other.

If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on
to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original
keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful
solution would be very welcome!!

Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up!

Warren



Quoting Rich Mellor :



Colin Piggot  writes:



Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap...

Warren wrote:
> No worries!  I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried
> one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane.
>
> Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at
least
> contact somebody with a SAM to try it.

I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some
issues with
regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard
assembly and
it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it
doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane
against
an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one
edge I
can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by
about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the
actuation
of them.

The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund..

Re: Sam Coupe Testing

[Roger Jowett]

you can plug the ram chips onto the ones on the motherboard but you
need to adda couple of extra wires - will scan machine and uplaod as
soon as vodaphone stops asking me for £200 for exactly
.0029% of what im paying for
but love the way teh same video is sent to my machine a dozen times
and never plays without resending itself

On 06/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk  wrote:
> Can't help you with most of those problems, but as someone else
> mentioned, that memory upgrade sounds like a custom job. The normal
> ones were extremely simple, unscrew the tiny panel underneath, slot
> the small upgrade in, and away you go! ;-)
>
> Colin still sells the memory upgrades I think, so it could be worth
> detaching that unusual one and putting one of those in just for the
> best results (Who knows, it could be causing some of your other
> problems!)
>
> As someone else mentioned, you should normally have 4 blue feet.
> Again, I think Colin sometimes has a few spare, so he may be able to
> help.
>
> As for the mouse interface, the SAM used ST compatible mice with the
> MGT mouse interface. So if you can pick up or have an old one of
> those, it should work.
>
> Warren
>
> Quoting Rich Mellor :
>
>> I just need to pick your brains if you don't mind (and maybe your
>> spares pile)...
>>
>> I have replaced the TV lead from inside the power unit, and I get a
>> picture on
>> my TV.
>>
>> However, if the TV is tuned in properly - I get a black and white picture,
>> otherwise the start up screen is very blue.
>>
>> Is there anything I can do - I had to remove the ROM and memory
>> chips and reseat
>> them to get even an ounce of colour on screen, but it may just be
>> the TV needs
>> tuning.
>>
>> There were two SCART leads with the computer, but neither seem to
>> give an output.
>>
>> I seem to recall reading that the SCART is very different to normal.
>>
>> Does anyone have spare SCART and cassette leads please?
>>
>> Also - I have found a semi-circular rubber foot - I presume that the
>> Sam should
>> have four of these in the holes on the side of the casing?
>>
>> Does anyone have some spares?
>>
>> My Sam has 512K memory, with piggy-backed RAM chips and a wire which
>> runs across
>> and is connected to one of the pins on the internal expansion port
>> (to the right
>> of the disk drive).
>>
>> Is this normal - as it seems an awkward way of connecting it!
>>
>> Finally, I have an MGT mouse interface for the Sam, and a Comms
>> interface - what
>> is the best way of testing these?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: keyboard membrane replacement

[Roger Jowett]

are you sure if you work for voda phone you can send a letter asking
for £200 for cancellation of contract after all 85kbps is exactly the
same as the advertised 28.8mbps connection
refund anyone?

On 06/06/2011, Rich Mellor  wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out
> replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not
> returned them for a refund.
>
> I will of course keep people updated
>
> Rich
>
>
> On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>> Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the
>> membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and
>> discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and
>> mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet.
>>
>> If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements
>> free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for
>> a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a
>> refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date
>> one way or the other.
>>
>> If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on
>> to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original
>> keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful
>> solution would be very welcome!!
>>
>> Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up!
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Rich Mellor :
>>
>>>
>>> Colin Piggot  writes:
>>>

 Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap...

 Warren wrote:
 > No worries!  I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried
 > one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane.
 >
 > Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at
 least
 > contact somebody with a SAM to try it.

 I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some
 issues with
 regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard
 assembly and
 it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it
 doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane
 against
 an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one
 edge I
 can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by
 about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the
 actuation
 of them.

 The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...

Re: who wants some then ?

[Roger Jowett]

humble apols
spam is asking for something as well as sending invites from social
networks is it?
but it isnt getting 1% of the conenction speed you pay for? funny that
i didnt think it would be - oh and thank vodaphone for the £200
contract termination letter - the second time - so only £400 to
connect to the internet at 85kbps - well worth every penny and
certainly not a licence to print money - alhtough my pc has crashed
more times than i have been able to use it which is why the sams 20th
birthday video wasnt uploaded 20 years ago nice  one cant use teh
computers in libraries or at uni or at home great place this think i
get the message im goign to Spam! off... cheers folks
ttfn

On 06/06/2011, Chris Pile  wrote:
> You keep spamming on about a PUSH proportional print routine - why don't you
> write your own?  It really isn't that difficult you know.  And why have you
> got it in
> your head that PUSH is the way to go with this???
>
> Sure, PUSH can dramatically speed up certain graphic-dumping operations -
> but
> don't assume that it is a panacea for *everything*!  There is a trade-off
> between
> the ease of something like LDI and the complications of manipulating the
> stack to
> do any PUSH operations - not to mention the potential interrupt headaches
> when
> playing with the stack pointer.
>
> Work out exactly what you want from your routine, then write code to fit the
> bill...
>
> Don't just look for a proportional print routine - or assume someone else
> will write
> or give you one - be it stack-based or not!  *Write Your Own!*
>
> Who knows, you might learn something and - more importantly - you won't keep
> annoying everyone by constantly spamming *everywhere* asking for one...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roger Jowett" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: who wants some then ?
>
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmwW_6kUdHw
>>
>> reveal myself?
>> what are you talking about?
>> stone circles yes surrounded by loads more than you!
>> dunno what to say i have scads
>> it has proportional font but the manual doesnt explain how to alter
>> the width of letters so i dont really get it too much
>> was really looking for a push print routine soemthing that might be
>> compatibel with tasword+2 the 128 version of tasword 2 which was
>> converted for the +d using tascon+d from indug format but all that is
>> water under the bridge now apparently...
>> did you enjoy the vid it took me ten years in the making!
>

Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?

[Roger Jowett]

can anyone document how to add the 256kb as piggy back on the existing
256kb pcb chips instead of thru the ram expansion socket -
is there any way to adapt the internal ram expansion into thinking it
has some external ram - no matter how small or rom area ram like the
+disciple/multiface?
MMU like mb-02+ dma in there somewhere pentagon style ram?
only  a thought...
how much do you want for it
where abouts are you?

On 06/06/2011, VELESOFT  wrote:
> Also here is my memory upgrade compatible with original.
>
> http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe_schematics-cz.htm (at end of page)
>
> here is my PCB (tested and work):
> http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sam-schematic/samcoupe-eagle-256k_mem-brd.png
>
> here is original memory expansion:
> http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sam-schematic/samcoupe-256k_mem-original.jpg
>
> Price of my upgrade is 9 EUR + postage (PayPal)
> Minimum number to order : 2 pieces.
>
> Within three weeks of pay will expansions complette. :)
>
> VELESOFT
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?
>
>
> Hi!
> 2nd hand SAMs are usually very popular, so I doubt you'll have too
> many problems in that respect. :-) (Wish I had the spare cash myself!)
>
> If you're still into retro computing and the SAM, and the RAM issue
> has frustrated you from getting back into it on the SAM, I think Colin
> still sells the 256k memory upgrades. Check here:
> http://www.samcoupe.com/hardmem.htm
>
> All the best!
>
> Quoting Dicky Moore :
>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
>> years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never
>> swapped
>> it back.)
>>
>>
>>
>> It has the PSU etc, and I've got a few bits of software with the manuals,
>> I
>> think - e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
>> unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dicky
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dicky Moore | Bearcraft
>>
>> 07702 100 180
>>
>> http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
>> http://bearcraftmusic.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: ST Mice

[Roger Jowett]

any video of roller ball working with any of these on sam?

On 06/06/2011, VELESOFT  wrote:
> It's not true USB to ATARI MOUSE convertor. It's easy PS/2 to ATARI/AMIGA
> mouse adapter, but contain USB connector instead PS/2. Some mouses with USB
> connector support also PS/2 protocol (all USB mouses with USBtoPS/2
> adapter).
>
> Price of this USB > ATARI MOUSE adapter is too high.
>
> Same PS/2 to AMIGA MOUSE convertor is used in my SAM MOUSE TURBO interface:
> http://velesoft.speccy.cz/sammouse-cz.htm
>
> here is my SAM MOUSE TURBO with USB connector :
> http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sammouse/sammouse_turbo.jpg
>
> On board is possible connect USB or PS/2 connector, but only PS/2 protocol
> is used (work with all PS/2 mouses or with all USB mouses compatible with
> PS/2 protocol).
>
> Yes, any PS/2 compatible optical or laser mouse or adapter can be connect.
>
> VELESOFT
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Leszek Chmielewski
>   To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
>   Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:50 PM
>   Subject: Re: ST Mice
>
>
>
>
>
>   2011/6/6 
>
> Here's something interesting...
>
> An Atari ST mouse to usb mouse connector. In theory, this should also
> work with the SAM mouse interface, should it not? So we could use a modern
> usb mouse with the old MGT mouse interface?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-ST-USB-Mouse-Adapter-Brand-New-/120732726502?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c3b34e6#ht_2467wt_1139
>
> I suppose the other questions, which others will know better, are
> whether or not it would support a)optical mice and b)perhaps even wireless?
> Though I would presume there are other issues regarding power from the USB
> port, etc, for wireless and optical that might make it incompatible with the
> SAM. The item listing seems to imply that it would work with optical and
> wireless mice on the ST, so who knows?
>
> An interesting possibility! :-)
>
>
>   It will work with SAM mouse interface and optical / RF mices without
> problems, but only if the mice supports PS/2 protocol (sold with a PS/2
> adapter). Pure USB mices are not supported.
>

Re: ST Mice

[VELESOFT]

It's not true USB to ATARI MOUSE convertor. It's easy PS/2 to ATARI/AMIGA mouse 
adapter, but contain USB connector instead PS/2. Some mouses with USB connector 
support also PS/2 protocol (all USB mouses with USBtoPS/2 adapter).

Price of this USB > ATARI MOUSE adapter is too high.

Same PS/2 to AMIGA MOUSE convertor is used in my SAM MOUSE TURBO interface:
http://velesoft.speccy.cz/sammouse-cz.htm

here is my SAM MOUSE TURBO with USB connector :
http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sammouse/sammouse_turbo.jpg

On board is possible connect USB or PS/2 connector, but only PS/2 protocol is 
used (work with all PS/2 mouses or with all USB mouses compatible with PS/2 
protocol).

Yes, any PS/2 compatible optical or laser mouse or adapter can be connect.

VELESOFT

  - Original Message - 
  From: Leszek Chmielewski 
  To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:50 PM
  Subject: Re: ST Mice





  2011/6/6 

Here's something interesting...

An Atari ST mouse to usb mouse connector. In theory, this should also work 
with the SAM mouse interface, should it not? So we could use a modern usb mouse 
with the old MGT mouse interface?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-ST-USB-Mouse-Adapter-Brand-New-/120732726502?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c3b34e6#ht_2467wt_1139

I suppose the other questions, which others will know better, are whether 
or not it would support a)optical mice and b)perhaps even wireless? Though I 
would presume there are other issues regarding power from the USB port, etc, 
for wireless and optical that might make it incompatible with the SAM. The item 
listing seems to imply that it would work with optical and wireless mice on the 
ST, so who knows?

An interesting possibility! :-)


  It will work with SAM mouse interface and optical / RF mices without 
problems, but only if the mice supports PS/2 protocol (sold with a PS/2 
adapter). Pure USB mices are not supported.

Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?

[VELESOFT]

Also here is my memory upgrade compatible with original.

http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe_schematics-cz.htm (at end of page)

here is my PCB (tested and work):
http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sam-schematic/samcoupe-eagle-256k_mem-brd.png

here is original memory expansion:
http://velesoft.speccy.cz/samcoupe/sam-schematic/samcoupe-256k_mem-original.jpg

Price of my upgrade is 9 EUR + postage (PayPal)
Minimum number to order : 2 pieces.

Within three weeks of pay will expansions complette. :)

VELESOFT


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?


Hi!
2nd hand SAMs are usually very popular, so I doubt you'll have too
many problems in that respect. :-) (Wish I had the spare cash myself!)

If you're still into retro computing and the SAM, and the RAM issue
has frustrated you from getting back into it on the SAM, I think Colin
still sells the 256k memory upgrades. Check here:
http://www.samcoupe.com/hardmem.htm

All the best!

Quoting Dicky Moore :


Hi all



Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?



I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never swapped
it back.)



It has the PSU etc, and I've got a few bits of software with the manuals, I
think - e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).



Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?



Dicky



--

Dicky Moore | Bearcraft

07702 100 180

http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
http://bearcraftmusic.com 

Re: keyboard membrane replacement

[Rich Mellor]

Hi Warren,

If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out 
replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not 
returned them for a refund.


I will of course keep people updated

Rich


On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Hi Rich,
Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the 
membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and 
discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and 
mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet.


If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements 
free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for 
a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a 
refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date 
one way or the other.


If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on 
to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original 
keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful 
solution would be very welcome!!


Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up!

Warren



Quoting Rich Mellor :



Colin Piggot  writes:



Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap...

Warren wrote:
> No worries!  I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried
> one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane.
>
> Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at 
least

> contact somebody with a SAM to try it.

I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some 
issues with
regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard 
assembly and

it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it
doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane 
against
an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one 
edge I

can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by
about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the 
actuation

of them.

The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund

Colin
=
Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé
1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé
Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/




I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to 
apologise for

the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes.

I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem 
before
Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed 
several

months ago!

As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the 
Sam Coupe

keyboard membranes from sale.

I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and 
am in
discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as 
perplexed as me
as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my 
Sam Coupé).


We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can help 
with the
problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows 
are

smaller than the other rows does not help!

I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane, 
howevere,
the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard 
membranes, and the
others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any 
problems
(including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum - remember 
that they

have never used or seen these machines either!).

Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution 
found, I will
make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to 
return the

keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem

Rich Mellor
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk











--
Rich Mellor
RWAP Services

http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
http://www.rwapservices.co.uk

-- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com

Re: keyboard membrane replacement

[warren]

Hi Rich,
Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the  
membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and  
discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and  
mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet.


If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements  
free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for  
a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a  
refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date  
one way or the other.


If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on  
to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original  
keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful  
solution would be very welcome!!


Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up!

Warren



Quoting Rich Mellor :



Colin Piggot  writes:



Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap...

Warren wrote:
> No worries!  I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried
> one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane.
>
> Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least
> contact somebody with a SAM to try it.

I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with
regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and
it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it
doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against
an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I
can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by
about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation
of them.

The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund

Colin
=
Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé
1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé
Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/




I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to apologise for
the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes.

I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem before
Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed several
months ago!

As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the  
Sam Coupe

keyboard membranes from sale.

I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and am in
discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as  
perplexed as me
as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my  
Sam Coupé).


We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can  
help with the

problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows are
smaller than the other rows does not help!

I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane,  
howevere,
the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard  
membranes, and the

others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any problems
(including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum -  
remember that they

have never used or seen these machines either!).

Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution  
found, I will
make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to  
return the

keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem

Rich Mellor
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk

Re: ST Mice

[Leszek Chmielewski]

2011/6/6 

> Here's something interesting...
>
> An Atari ST mouse to usb mouse connector. In theory, this should also work
> with the SAM mouse interface, should it not? So we could use a modern usb
> mouse with the old MGT mouse interface?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-ST-USB-Mouse-Adapter-Brand-New-/120732726502?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c3b34e6#ht_2467wt_1139
>
> I suppose the other questions, which others will know better, are whether
> or not it would support a)optical mice and b)perhaps even wireless? Though I
> would presume there are other issues regarding power from the USB port, etc,
> for wireless and optical that might make it incompatible with the SAM. The
> item listing seems to imply that it would work with optical and wireless
> mice on the ST, so who knows?
>
> An interesting possibility! :-)
>
> It will work with SAM mouse interface and optical / RF mices without
problems, but only if the mice supports PS/2 protocol (sold with a PS/2
adapter). Pure USB mices are not supported.

RE: Sell a Sam Coupé?

[warren]

I have the same problem! (Well, no so much desk space, as no space at  
all!) but it's always nice to have the real thing up and running now  
and again. Especially with the add-ons you can now get, that the  
emulator doesn't handle, such as Quazar surround sound, and the  
Trinity interface that not only handles SD card storage, but has  
ethernet support, and is nearing completion for software that will get  
the SAM online. ;-)


Can't beat a good bit of old retro computing lol!

Warren


Quoting Dicky Moore :


Thanks for the reply, Warren.

It's glad to know that the 256k upgrades are still available. I just looked
at that links and remembered how excited I was when I got my own 256k
upgrade.

I still enjoy revisiting the Sam from time to time, but tend to use the
emulator rather than the real thing - desk space is an issue!

Thanks

Dicky

--
Dicky Moore | Bearcraft
07702 100 180
http://dickymoore.co.uk | http://bearcraftmusic.com


-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of war...@wdlee.co.uk
Sent: 06 June 2011 12:04
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?

Hi!
2nd hand SAMs are usually very popular, so I doubt you'll have too
many problems in that respect. :-) (Wish I had the spare cash myself!)

If you're still into retro computing and the SAM, and the RAM issue
has frustrated you from getting back into it on the SAM, I think Colin
still sells the 256k memory upgrades. Check here:
http://www.samcoupe.com/hardmem.htm

All the best!

Quoting Dicky Moore :


Hi all



Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?



I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never

swapped

it back.)



It has the PSU etc, and I’ve got a few bits of software with the manuals,

I

think – e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).



Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?



Dicky



--

Dicky Moore | Bearcraft

07702 100 180

http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
http://bearcraftmusic.com 

RE: Sell a Sam Coupé?

[Dicky Moore]

Thanks for the reply, Warren.

It's glad to know that the 256k upgrades are still available. I just looked
at that links and remembered how excited I was when I got my own 256k
upgrade.

I still enjoy revisiting the Sam from time to time, but tend to use the
emulator rather than the real thing - desk space is an issue!

Thanks

Dicky

--
Dicky Moore | Bearcraft 
07702 100 180 
http://dickymoore.co.uk | http://bearcraftmusic.com


-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of war...@wdlee.co.uk
Sent: 06 June 2011 12:04
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?

Hi!
2nd hand SAMs are usually very popular, so I doubt you'll have too  
many problems in that respect. :-) (Wish I had the spare cash myself!)

If you're still into retro computing and the SAM, and the RAM issue  
has frustrated you from getting back into it on the SAM, I think Colin  
still sells the 256k memory upgrades. Check here:
http://www.samcoupe.com/hardmem.htm

All the best!

Quoting Dicky Moore :

> Hi all
>
>
>
> Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?
>
>
>
> I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
> years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never
swapped
> it back.)
>
>
>
> It has the PSU etc, and I’ve got a few bits of software with the manuals,
I
> think – e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).
>
>
>
> Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
> unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?
>
>
>
> Dicky
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dicky Moore | Bearcraft
>
> 07702 100 180
>
> http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
> http://bearcraftmusic.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Sell a Sam Coupé?

[warren]

Hi!
2nd hand SAMs are usually very popular, so I doubt you'll have too  
many problems in that respect. :-) (Wish I had the spare cash myself!)


If you're still into retro computing and the SAM, and the RAM issue  
has frustrated you from getting back into it on the SAM, I think Colin  
still sells the 256k memory upgrades. Check here:

http://www.samcoupe.com/hardmem.htm

All the best!

Quoting Dicky Moore :


Hi all



Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?



I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never swapped
it back.)



It has the PSU etc, and I’ve got a few bits of software with the manuals, I
think – e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).



Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?



Dicky



--

Dicky Moore | Bearcraft

07702 100 180

http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
http://bearcraftmusic.com 

ST Mice

[warren]

Here's something interesting...

An Atari ST mouse to usb mouse connector. In theory, this should also  
work with the SAM mouse interface, should it not? So we could use a  
modern usb mouse with the old MGT mouse interface?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-ST-USB-Mouse-Adapter-Brand-New-/120732726502?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c3b34e6#ht_2467wt_1139

I suppose the other questions, which others will know better, are  
whether or not it would support a)optical mice and b)perhaps even  
wireless? Though I would presume there are other issues regarding  
power from the USB port, etc, for wireless and optical that might make  
it incompatible with the SAM. The item listing seems to imply that it  
would work with optical and wireless mice on the ST, so who knows?


An interesting possibility! :-)

Sell a Sam Coupé?

[Dicky Moore]

Hi all

 

Just wondering if there is a market out there for second hand Sam Coupés?

 

I have a Sam with 256K RAM. (Sadly swapped my 512k with a college friend
years ago so he could play a game I created with SCADS and we never swapped
it back.)

 

It has the PSU etc, and I’ve got a few bits of software with the manuals, I
think – e-tracker, SCADs (if my memory serves correctly).

 

Do you think there is interest in buying this? Will put it on eBay if so,
unless anyone on this list wants to make an offer?

 

Dicky

 

--

Dicky Moore | Bearcraft 

07702 100 180 

http://dickymoore.co.uk   |
http://bearcraftmusic.com  

 

 

Re: Sam Coupe Testing

[warren]

Can't help you with most of those problems, but as someone else  
mentioned, that memory upgrade sounds like a custom job. The normal  
ones were extremely simple, unscrew the tiny panel underneath, slot  
the small upgrade in, and away you go! ;-)


Colin still sells the memory upgrades I think, so it could be worth  
detaching that unusual one and putting one of those in just for the  
best results (Who knows, it could be causing some of your other  
problems!)


As someone else mentioned, you should normally have 4 blue feet.  
Again, I think Colin sometimes has a few spare, so he may be able to  
help.


As for the mouse interface, the SAM used ST compatible mice with the  
MGT mouse interface. So if you can pick up or have an old one of  
those, it should work.


Warren

Quoting Rich Mellor :

I just need to pick your brains if you don't mind (and maybe your  
spares pile)...


I have replaced the TV lead from inside the power unit, and I get a  
picture on

my TV.

However, if the TV is tuned in properly - I get a black and white picture,
otherwise the start up screen is very blue.

Is there anything I can do - I had to remove the ROM and memory  
chips and reseat
them to get even an ounce of colour on screen, but it may just be  
the TV needs

tuning.

There were two SCART leads with the computer, but neither seem to  
give an output.


I seem to recall reading that the SCART is very different to normal.

Does anyone have spare SCART and cassette leads please?

Also - I have found a semi-circular rubber foot - I presume that the  
Sam should

have four of these in the holes on the side of the casing?

Does anyone have some spares?

My Sam has 512K memory, with piggy-backed RAM chips and a wire which  
runs across
and is connected to one of the pins on the internal expansion port  
(to the right

of the disk drive).

Is this normal - as it seems an awkward way of connecting it!

Finally, I have an MGT mouse interface for the Sam, and a Comms  
interface - what

is the best way of testing these?

Re: who wants some then ?

[Chris Pile]

You keep spamming on about a PUSH proportional print routine - why don't you
write your own?  It really isn't that difficult you know.  And why have you got 
it in
your head that PUSH is the way to go with this???

Sure, PUSH can dramatically speed up certain graphic-dumping operations - but
don't assume that it is a panacea for *everything*!  There is a trade-off 
between
the ease of something like LDI and the complications of manipulating the stack 
to
do any PUSH operations - not to mention the potential interrupt headaches when
playing with the stack pointer.

Work out exactly what you want from your routine, then write code to fit the 
bill...

Don't just look for a proportional print routine - or assume someone else will 
write
or give you one - be it stack-based or not!  *Write Your Own!*

Who knows, you might learn something and - more importantly - you won't keep
annoying everyone by constantly spamming *everywhere* asking for one...


- Original Message - 
From: "Roger Jowett" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: who wants some then ?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmwW_6kUdHw

reveal myself?
what are you talking about?
stone circles yes surrounded by loads more than you!
dunno what to say i have scads
it has proportional font but the manual doesnt explain how to alter
the width of letters so i dont really get it too much
was really looking for a push print routine soemthing that might be
compatibel with tasword+2 the 128 version of tasword 2 which was
converted for the +d using tascon+d from indug format but all that is
water under the bridge now apparently...
did you enjoy the vid it took me ten years in the making!

Re: who wants some then ?

[Roger Jowett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmwW_6kUdHw

reveal myself?
what are you talking about?
stone circles yes surrounded by loads more than you!
dunno what to say i have scads
it has proportional font but the manual doesnt explain how to alter
the width of letters so i dont really get it too much
was really looking for a push print routine soemthing that might be
compatibel with tasword+2 the 128 version of tasword 2 which was
converted for the +d using tascon+d from indug format but all that is
water under the bridge now apparently...
did you enjoy the vid it took me ten years in the making!


On 04/06/2011, nev young  wrote:
> I notice from my web logs that somebody was trying to get the Games
> Master manual pdf from my site on the 31st.
> 188.65.183.51 - - [31/May/2011:01:53:27 +0100]
>
> My site is set up to disallow external links to images and pdfs so the
> request failed.
> Hope you enjoyed looking at the stone circles instead.
>
> If you still want the pdf reveal yourself and I'll send it to you.
>
> --
> Nev
>
>