[Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi ! QNAP TurboNas (our model number is TS-EC1279U-RP) do successfully the trick. Joined as a member to our S4 AD, we use it as a cifs server in a mixed environnement. The server is ssh opened, and the configuration files (ex : smb.conf) could be modified by hand or by an automated script. We've linked it to our group creation and actually offer good and simple services. Cheers, --- *** Oliver -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:55 -0300, Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi Andrew, I work on a NAS product myself, and at this vendor and my previous vendor Samba 4.0 as an AD DC was all I ever needed to use to test the AD integration features of the NAS. Thanks, Andrew Bartlett Please tell me which product this is, so I can contact the local reseller. :-) You can send me in pvt if you think it would not be ethical to advertise your employee on the list. If I someone tell me this product works I can by knowing if something bad happens it's something I can solve. Sometimes the management interface for a product won't let you do things the embebed software could do, so I don't want to risk a product without someone telling me this one worked for me. My point was more that Samba 4.0 as an AD DC really is AD, certainly for as much as a NAS cares about. As discussed, most of these devices are Samba based anyway, and Samba talks very well to our Samba AD DC. The difference is with Samba's 'classic' domain mode (Samba 3.x), because we use a different config option for that. Some vendors do not expose this functionality. That said, it isn't a secret that I work on the NETGEAR ReadyNAS. Previously I worked on the now discontinued Cisco Small Buisness NAS product. Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartletthttp://samba.org/~abartlet/ Authentication Developer, Samba Team http://samba.org -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? Given choices, I used NFS. Samba is great for cross compatibility, but CIFS is a very chatty protocol with some longstanding complexities leading to awkward access control in my experience. That said, I've built a render cluster with 200 nodes running a 40 TByte storage setup with Samba 3.x for the Windows clients and NFSv3 for the SuSE users. It worked much better than the commercially funded storage array. (Ran headlong into the 2 TByte storage size issue due to 32-bit fiber optic controllers, but split it into 4 10 TByte arays.) I also did the first published ports of Samba to SunOS 4.1.x, so I've done a *lot* of setups. I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself. So I'm asking if someone there has had any real experience, be it using Fedora, CentOS or RHEL as the Samba3 PDC or Samba4 DC. More building them up from scartch as part of other services. For commercial NAS support, I've been dealing a lot with NetApp, which incorporates a lot of the mirroring and snapshots and high performance issues an off the shefl USB disk storage box won't have. Those do play nicely with Samba, AD, and usually NIS as well. PS: I'm cross-posting because I asked before on the samba mailing list and nobody cared to answer. Or nobody has had any real experience. I'm hoing many sysadmins on the Fedora list also works on companies with RHEL or CentOS and had a real experience to share. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Mostly All the NAS Vendors that belong to the linux side have samba3 winbind running pointing in their config to ads: Ex.: security = ADS something like this.. winbind enum users = Yes winbind enum groups = Yes winbind use default domain = Yes winbind nested groups = Yes winbind separator = + But in the first run you have to talk to them. Now and then you can buy the nas with a possibility to join to your samba3 domain. If you haven' t tried you will never know :-) Good Luck Daniel --- EDV Daniel Müller Leitung EDV Tropenklinik Paul-Lechler-Krankenhaus Paul-Lechler-Str. 24 72076 Tübingen Tel.: 07071/206-463, Fax: 07071/206-499 eMail: muel...@tropenklinik.de Internet: www.tropenklinik.de --- -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] Im Auftrag von Gaiseric Vandal Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2013 18:44 An: samba@lists.samba.org Betreff: Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba On 07/11/13 12:29, Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi, what about the samba running on your NAS. I did a lot of NAS hacking pointing a running samba/winbind config of the vendor to my nt-style samba/ldap domain . But if you do so be aware you are loosing your support :-). So if you can change the samba on your NAS you are up and running. I don't have the NAS box yet. I wish advice on which one to buy based on compatibility with a Samba 3 PDC (or Samba 4 DC, or IPA). Vendors I talked to tell me it won't work, I'd have to use Microsoft AD. Knowing the Linux and Windows side (protocols, software) this doesn't make sense to me, I'm guessing the sales people I talked to simply doesn't know and doesn't want to learn. And it's not easy to tell the boss I'll buy a somewhat expensive box (for a small business) just to hack and see if it'll work the way I want. :-( It would help if you simply tell me which NAS you had success and which one was easier, out-of-the-box, or had to hack. []s, Fernando Lozano It seems common that vendors (esp the sales guys) assume you are running Windows 200x and AD.I think the logic is that none of our customers use linux so we won't support it. It becomes self-fulfilling when anyone wanting something besides the basic Windows AD support looks for other solutions. Getting samba to work sometimes requires fiddling with protocol versions, WINS and DNS. For example windows 7 won't work with Samba 3.x until you tweek the registry. You can probably put together a price-comparable equivalent of the Buffalo using a white-box PC tower and linux. You can even set up software raid. It is more likely to work the way you want than a NAS box. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
I use a Netgear readynas1500 as a fileserver for my Samba3/ldap domain which I' ve just upgraded to AD and it works fine in both cases (lots of users, though with relatively few active connections). It runs a bog standard Samba3 + winbind member server (NT or ADS) as far as I can tell. Having said that, the 2 shortcomings I have found are with windows 7 clients... troubles doing offline files (there are bunch of tweaks, but none work perfectly) and it doesnt work too well with the libraries feature in win7 (it needs indexing o some sort that isn't povided by samba I think) BTW, would a Samba4 member server setup help with these issues? If it did, I'd upgrade even if it did invaidate warranty... cheers Jim On 11/07/2013 05:03, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, if the samba DC runs Fedora, Debian, Slackware, RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, Solaris, whatever. I am not talking about OS level FC drivers or iSCSI initiators. Either a NAS will be compatible with Samba3, Samba4, both or neither. This depends on the SMB and MSRPC features needed by the NAS, all them application level protocols, not kernel modules. If I'll need Red Hat support for managing this system is another, unrelated, question. If the NAS vendors state they suṕport RHEL, that's not que question either, as supporting RHEL could mean the RHEL linux kernel smbfs and cifsfs driver talks to the NAS, not the NAS talks to the Samba DC. Or else, RHEL support may mean just that the NAS talks NFS and so a RHEL machine can mount volumes from tne NAS. That's not what I want. Most times I see linux servers they are simply members of a MSAD domain, not the DC themselves. But mine are. All vendors I talked to assume MSAD, and don't know about Samba. :-( Anyway Fedora is my desktop system and development workstation. The DC in question runs RHEL. But if this works I can try someday using Fedora or CentOS with the same (or other) NAS. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. At least iomega/lenovo/emc state their NAS runs Samba. And a lot of less know vendors also. I'll buy a single, cheap NAS, not a high end EMC rack full of boxes. :-) But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? All vendors I contacted talk only about MS Active Directory. They don't even know about NT4-style domains, which would mean a Samba3 DC should work. Besides, AFAIK a Samba4 DC isn't supported by RHEL at all -- that's why I included IPA in my question -- I'd have to use Sernet packages for Samba4. Even then, Samba4 is very new, I don't know if a NAS implementation would accept it in place of a MSAD DC. Most vendors talk to me about vmware, exchange and sql server support. They offer me windows-only backup servers and the like. Some even offer me SAP R/3 agents, while my ERP is another one. They can only follow their standard script for windows shops. So I ask for the collective knowledge from the Fedora and Samba lists... can anyone tell me I tried this NAS and it worked? Or should I better forget about this and keep using cheap intel boxes as file servers? Am I the first linux sysadmin in the world who's considering to have a NAS replacing some file servers but keeping his samba DCs? []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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quote: I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. Its simple, this is a BAD thing tot do. But if you really want a nas. Get a synology. The best you can get, is my experiance. http://www.synology.com/index.php?lang=default or Just get a pc with 2 harddisks and install. http://www.freenas.org/ or if you want a ready setup for samba4 . get the sernet samba4 appliance. http://www.enterprisesamba.com/samba4app/ My advice, get or the synoligy of the samba4 app. personaly, get the samba4 appliance. get zarafa, and you have about the samba as Windows + exchange Im running samba 3 with zarafa now, and im in the process of upgradeing to samba4. Good luck. Louis -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: jimpot...@orange.net [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] Namens Jim Potter Verzonden: vrijdag 12 juli 2013 8:44 Aan: samba@lists.samba.org Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba I use a Netgear readynas1500 as a fileserver for my Samba3/ldap domain which I' ve just upgraded to AD and it works fine in both cases (lots of users, though with relatively few active connections). It runs a bog standard Samba3 + winbind member server (NT or ADS) as far as I can tell. Having said that, the 2 shortcomings I have found are with windows 7 clients... troubles doing offline files (there are bunch of tweaks, but none work perfectly) and it doesnt work too well with the libraries feature in win7 (it needs indexing o some sort that isn't povided by samba I think) BTW, would a Samba4 member server setup help with these issues? If it did, I'd upgrade even if it did invaidate warranty... cheers Jim On 11/07/2013 05:03, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, if the samba DC runs Fedora, Debian, Slackware, RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, Solaris, whatever. I am not talking about OS level FC drivers or iSCSI initiators. Either a NAS will be compatible with Samba3, Samba4, both or neither. This depends on the SMB and MSRPC features needed by the NAS, all them application level protocols, not kernel modules. If I'll need Red Hat support for managing this system is another, unrelated, question. If the NAS vendors state they su???port RHEL, that's not que question either, as supporting RHEL could mean the RHEL linux kernel smbfs and cifsfs driver talks to the NAS, not the NAS talks to the Samba DC. Or else, RHEL support may mean just that the NAS talks NFS and so a RHEL machine can mount volumes from tne NAS. That's not what I want. Most times I see linux servers they are simply members of a MSAD domain, not the DC themselves. But mine are. All vendors I talked to assume MSAD, and don't know about Samba. :-( Anyway Fedora is my desktop system and development workstation. The DC in question runs RHEL. But if this works I can try someday using Fedora or CentOS with the same (or other) NAS. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. At least iomega/lenovo/emc state their NAS runs Samba. And a lot of less know vendors also. I'll buy a single, cheap NAS, not a high end EMC rack full of boxes. :-) But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? All vendors I contacted talk only about MS Active Directory. They don't even know about NT4-style domains, which would mean a Samba3 DC should work. Besides, AFAIK a Samba4 DC isn't supported by RHEL at all -- that's why I included IPA in my question -- I'd have to use Sernet packages for Samba4. Even then, Samba4 is very new, I don't know if a NAS
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
With Samba 3.x (I think it was samba 3.4.x when we started deploying Windows 7) I found that offline folders on Windows 7 broke offline authentication. On 07/12/13 02:43, Jim Potter wrote: I use a Netgear readynas1500 as a fileserver for my Samba3/ldap domain which I' ve just upgraded to AD and it works fine in both cases (lots of users, though with relatively few active connections). It runs a bog standard Samba3 + winbind member server (NT or ADS) as far as I can tell. Having said that, the 2 shortcomings I have found are with windows 7 clients... troubles doing offline files (there are bunch of tweaks, but none work perfectly) and it doesnt work too well with the libraries feature in win7 (it needs indexing o some sort that isn't povided by samba I think) BTW, would a Samba4 member server setup help with these issues? If it did, I'd upgrade even if it did invaidate warranty... cheers Jim On 11/07/2013 05:03, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, if the samba DC runs Fedora, Debian, Slackware, RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, Solaris, whatever. I am not talking about OS level FC drivers or iSCSI initiators. Either a NAS will be compatible with Samba3, Samba4, both or neither. This depends on the SMB and MSRPC features needed by the NAS, all them application level protocols, not kernel modules. If I'll need Red Hat support for managing this system is another, unrelated, question. If the NAS vendors state they suṕport RHEL, that's not que question either, as supporting RHEL could mean the RHEL linux kernel smbfs and cifsfs driver talks to the NAS, not the NAS talks to the Samba DC. Or else, RHEL support may mean just that the NAS talks NFS and so a RHEL machine can mount volumes from tne NAS. That's not what I want. Most times I see linux servers they are simply members of a MSAD domain, not the DC themselves. But mine are. All vendors I talked to assume MSAD, and don't know about Samba. :-( Anyway Fedora is my desktop system and development workstation. The DC in question runs RHEL. But if this works I can try someday using Fedora or CentOS with the same (or other) NAS. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. At least iomega/lenovo/emc state their NAS runs Samba. And a lot of less know vendors also. I'll buy a single, cheap NAS, not a high end EMC rack full of boxes. :-) But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? All vendors I contacted talk only about MS Active Directory. They don't even know about NT4-style domains, which would mean a Samba3 DC should work. Besides, AFAIK a Samba4 DC isn't supported by RHEL at all -- that's why I included IPA in my question -- I'd have to use Sernet packages for Samba4. Even then, Samba4 is very new, I don't know if a NAS implementation would accept it in place of a MSAD DC. Most vendors talk to me about vmware, exchange and sql server support. They offer me windows-only backup servers and the like. Some even offer me SAP R/3 agents, while my ERP is another one. They can only follow their standard script for windows shops. So I ask for the collective knowledge from the Fedora and Samba lists... can anyone tell me I tried this NAS and it worked? Or should I better forget about this and keep using cheap intel boxes as file servers? Am I the first linux sysadmin in the world who's considering to have a NAS replacing some file servers but keeping his samba DCs? []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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Hi, Its simple, this is a BAD thing tot do. But if you really want a nas. As a technician I can agree, but I ceased trying to explain to management. Hey, we must help hardware vendor personal have a living ;-) and they help us put more expertise areas in our own resume. ;-))) Get a synology. The best you can get, is my experiance. Thanks a lot. I hope not only best as a NAS but also easy to setup as a member server for a samba 3 or 4 domain, right? Just get a pc with 2 harddisks and install. http://www.freenas.org/ Risking being off-topic on this list, many people told me not to use freenas because it was unmantained. Do you actually use it, follow the project closely, or just heard about it? personaly, get the samba4 appliance. I have to use my RHEL subscriptions ;-) Will use sernet packages when I get to upgrade to samba4. get zarafa, and you have about the samba as Windows + exchange Already have Zimbra. Someday I'll research about integrating Zimbra LDAP to Samba 4 LDAP. Won't try with Samba 3 because I hope to upgrade to samba4 this year. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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Hi Andrew, I work on a NAS product myself, and at this vendor and my previous vendor Samba 4.0 as an AD DC was all I ever needed to use to test the AD integration features of the NAS. Thanks, Andrew Bartlett Please tell me which product this is, so I can contact the local reseller. :-) You can send me in pvt if you think it would not be ethical to advertise your employee on the list. Sales people here (and their technical consultants) don't know / don't care about Samba. Every time I ask about samba compatibility they try to sell me Windows and VmWare licenses. They even lie trying to make my employee buy those licenses and ditch Linux altogether. I am only saved because of some previous incidents where I told my boss either they are lying or they don't know, showing technical references from vendors themselves and standards bodies, but was overruled. Later my boss found I was right the had way: products didn't worked as expected, company lost money. Most non-IT people, even many IT people, wrongly believe the vendor people should be the better experts and so any conflict of opinion they should be right. When it fails, the IT manager or the business area manager hide it, so they don't take blame for the wrong decision consequences. :-( If I someone tell me this product works I can by knowing if something bad happens it's something I can solve. Sometimes the management interface for a product won't let you do things the embebed software could do, so I don't want to risk a product without someone telling me this one worked for me. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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Hi, what about the samba running on your NAS. I did a lot of NAS hacking pointing a running samba/winbind config of the vendor to my nt-style samba/ldap domain . But if you do so be aware you are loosing your support :-). So if you can change the samba on your NAS you are up and running. Greetings Daniel --- EDV Daniel Müller Leitung EDV Tropenklinik Paul-Lechler-Krankenhaus Paul-Lechler-Str. 24 72076 Tübingen Tel.: 07071/206-463, Fax: 07071/206-499 eMail: muel...@tropenklinik.de Internet: www.tropenklinik.de --- -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] Im Auftrag von ferna...@lozano.eti.br Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2013 06:04 An: Chris Weiss Cc: samba; us...@lists.fedoraproject.org Betreff: Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, if the samba DC runs Fedora, Debian, Slackware, RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, Solaris, whatever. I am not talking about OS level FC drivers or iSCSI initiators. Either a NAS will be compatible with Samba3, Samba4, both or neither. This depends on the SMB and MSRPC features needed by the NAS, all them application level protocols, not kernel modules. If I'll need Red Hat support for managing this system is another, unrelated, question. If the NAS vendors state they suṕport RHEL, that's not que question either, as supporting RHEL could mean the RHEL linux kernel smbfs and cifsfs driver talks to the NAS, not the NAS talks to the Samba DC. Or else, RHEL support may mean just that the NAS talks NFS and so a RHEL machine can mount volumes from tne NAS. That's not what I want. Most times I see linux servers they are simply members of a MSAD domain, not the DC themselves. But mine are. All vendors I talked to assume MSAD, and don't know about Samba. :-( Anyway Fedora is my desktop system and development workstation. The DC in question runs RHEL. But if this works I can try someday using Fedora or CentOS with the same (or other) NAS. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. At least iomega/lenovo/emc state their NAS runs Samba. And a lot of less know vendors also. I'll buy a single, cheap NAS, not a high end EMC rack full of boxes. :-) But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? All vendors I contacted talk only about MS Active Directory. They don't even know about NT4-style domains, which would mean a Samba3 DC should work. Besides, AFAIK a Samba4 DC isn't supported by RHEL at all -- that's why I included IPA in my question -- I'd have to use Sernet packages for Samba4. Even then, Samba4 is very new, I don't know if a NAS implementation would accept it in place of a MSAD DC. Most vendors talk to me about vmware, exchange and sql server support. They offer me windows-only backup servers and the like. Some even offer me SAP R/3 agents, while my ERP is another one. They can only follow their standard script for windows shops. So I ask for the collective knowledge from the Fedora and Samba lists... can anyone tell me I tried this NAS and it worked? Or should I better forget about this and keep using cheap intel boxes as file servers? Am I the first linux sysadmin in the world who's considering to have a NAS replacing some file servers but keeping his samba DCs? []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jeremy Allison j...@samba.org wrote: but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. Sure, but non available to buy as a software-only product to my knowledge. They all come with hardware attached :-). right, *I* can't buy the software, but a NAS vendor can license it for a product that I can buy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) oh but it was! PDC means NT4 style, so samba PDC means samba 3 domain! If you're searching for information, this kind of nitpicky detail is important for an accurate answer. Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) I guess it's the IT manager in me. I either want something that I make someone else fix, or I want something that I'm probably going to void the warranty on so I can make it do what I want. AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, [clip] I agree. But you're asking questions that show us that you assume that this is not the case. If that's your concern, then the disto you're using is important since they all put in their own patches, or not, and that's where issues raise. if you can verify the samba version on the nas, that should have your answer since those issues are well tracked. Generally, if it supports AD, it supports a samba AD. Bugs are possible, but bugs can also be fixed. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi Fernando I have a site that runs 2 trusted domain PDC's across a OpenVPN link. At one end there is a (older) Buffalo Terrastation NAS. The NAS quite happily authenticates etc both sets of domain users. It has the option of Workgroup, NT Domain or AD. I use NT Domain. The PDC's run on Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) Samba 3.56. I use idmap_tdb winbind of course. This really is an evolving thing here. There are a few issues that likewise I have had no response to list questions over. Am happy to elaborate if you need more info. Bob On 11/07/13 11:44, Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) oh but it was! PDC means NT4 style, so samba PDC means samba 3 domain! If you're searching for information, this kind of nitpicky detail is important for an accurate answer. Well, I know how to setup a Samba 3 PDC, with other BDCs using LDAP replication. Fortunately I do not need help doing this. And I was not asking what is a Samba PDC, I know that, I know MSAD and etc I'm not asking the IT manager in you and other list members, I'm asking the network admins and sysadmins about wich products worked or didn't work based on their real-world experience. My question is wether a NAS (which one) will be able to become a member server on the samba NT-style domain, of if it will work only as member of a real MSAD domain from a Windows Server. Do you know the answer, I talked about even a Samba 4 DC because if someone answers me won't work for a samba 3 pdc, but should work with a samba 4 DC I'll seriously think about moving my test-lab samba 4 setup into production, otherwise I was not willing to do this just for the NAS. I'm even open to IPA, a software I've never tried. It looks like can replace my Samba3 DCs with advantes, and is well supported by Red Hat, while Samba 4 is not. Today I'd rather run Samba 4 without support than learning an entirely new network login solution. But if the new solution makes using a NAS easier I may change my mind. AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, [Fedora vs RHEL] I agree. But you're asking questions that show us that you assume that this is not the case. If that's your concern, then the disto you're using is important since they all put in their own patches, or not, and that's where issues raise. For now it only matters to me if sometone tells i tried with ACME NAS and RHEL and it worked, but tried the same NAS with Fedora and it didn't or vice-versa. I can compile samba myself if needed, or get packages from a repo outisde the official distro ones. if you can verify the samba version on the nas, that should have your answer since those issues are well tracked. Generally, if it supports AD, it supports a samba AD. Bugs are possible, but bugs can also be fixed. If I had the NAS box here I'd verify. But I'm still evaluating which one to buy, and for small purchages / small companies no one gives me a box for a POC. I wish information on with products / vendors have a track record of working (or not working) as member servers to a samba 3 domain, so I won't loose time talking to those vendors or evaluating those products. As I said in the previous messages, trying to get this information from the vendors themselves was a failure, so I'm appealing to the list. Unfortunately, as nobody besides you, on both lists, replied to me, I must assume that no NAS in the market was ever proven to work using a Samba PDC, and so buying any NAS is out of question for me. :-( Maybe I'll instead buy a DAS box to which I can connect 4 to 8 server machines using SAS links, and let the file servers running as samba processes inside linux VMs. []s, Fernando Lozano []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi Bob, I have a site that runs 2 trusted domain PDC's across a OpenVPN link. At one end there is a (older) Buffalo Terrastation NAS. The NAS quite happily authenticates etc both sets of domain users. It has the option of Workgroup, NT Domain or AD. I use NT Domain. The PDC's run on Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) Samba 3.56. I use idmap_tdb winbind of course. Thanks a lot. I found there is a local reseller here for Buffalo storage systems, so it's in. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:01:20AM -0500, Chris Weiss wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jeremy Allison j...@samba.org wrote: but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. Sure, but non available to buy as a software-only product to my knowledge. They all come with hardware attached :-). right, *I* can't buy the software, but a NAS vendor can license it for a product that I can buy. No, they all write their own these days. None available to license as far as I'm aware. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi, No, they all write their own these days. None available to license as far as I'm aware. Most times the proprietary NAS software is simply a web interface over a standard Linux/FreeBSD OS using Samba. If you know Samba and Linux, the web interface may be a hurdle, not allowing access to features you know how to configure from the shell or, worse yet, overwriting those settings, if they provide a shell at all. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On 07/11/13 11:50, Jeremy Allison wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:01:20AM -0500, Chris Weiss wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jeremy Allison j...@samba.org wrote: but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. Sure, but non available to buy as a software-only product to my knowledge. They all come with hardware attached :-). right, *I* can't buy the software, but a NAS vendor can license it for a product that I can buy. No, they all write their own these days. None available to license as far as I'm aware. I had an small iomega personal/workgroup NAS box (I think it was a snapserver.) It did run linux but the samba version didn't work with our samba 3.x PDC's.I think both were 3.0.x so it could have been some issue with our samba implementation.It did work with a Windows 2003 AD but that wasn't much use. Some of the NAS's are now based on Windows Server.But I don't think any vendor will talk about samba compatibility (let alone promise it.) The Oracle/Sun NAS servers are based on on Solaris11 or OpenSolaris. Even if a NAS works with your current environment there is no guarantee the vendor will provide patches to keep it working in the future as you apply security fixes or patches to your samba servers.For samba users implementing a NAS might not simplify things. If you were a windows only show them a NAS is probably great for a small site. I would stick with a real linux/samba server- you then have complete configuration control. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
I've had experience with a Western Digital MyBook Live DUO, and it does NOT support any type of network authentication. Users must be created and deleted on that device. --- CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: Pseudo-legal disclaimers do not buy you or your employer any legal recourse for leaked information. E-mail messages should never contain privileged or confidential information. Always treat e-mail as public. -Original Message- From: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] On Behalf Of Fernando Lozano Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:45 PM To: us...@lists.fedoraproject.org; samba@lists.samba.org Subject: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself. So I'm asking if someone there has had any real experience, be it using Fedora, CentOS or RHEL as the Samba3 PDC or Samba4 DC. PS: I'm cross-posting because I asked before on the samba mailing list and nobody cared to answer. Or nobody has had any real experience. I'm hoing many sysadmins on the Fedora list also works on companies with RHEL or CentOS and had a real experience to share. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi, what about the samba running on your NAS. I did a lot of NAS hacking pointing a running samba/winbind config of the vendor to my nt-style samba/ldap domain . But if you do so be aware you are loosing your support :-). So if you can change the samba on your NAS you are up and running. I don't have the NAS box yet. I wish advice on which one to buy based on compatibility with a Samba 3 PDC (or Samba 4 DC, or IPA). Vendors I talked to tell me it won't work, I'd have to use Microsoft AD. Knowing the Linux and Windows side (protocols, software) this doesn't make sense to me, I'm guessing the sales people I talked to simply doesn't know and doesn't want to learn. And it's not easy to tell the boss I'll buy a somewhat expensive box (for a small business) just to hack and see if it'll work the way I want. :-( It would help if you simply tell me which NAS you had success and which one was easier, out-of-the-box, or had to hack. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi Tony, RE: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba I've had experience with a Western Digital MyBook Live DUO, and it does NOT support any type of network authentication. Users must be created and deleted on that device. Thanks. May good for home use, but not for my employee. Anyway a vendor told me this works with linux but was unable to give details about authentication. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On 07/11/13 12:29, Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi, what about the samba running on your NAS. I did a lot of NAS hacking pointing a running samba/winbind config of the vendor to my nt-style samba/ldap domain . But if you do so be aware you are loosing your support :-). So if you can change the samba on your NAS you are up and running. I don't have the NAS box yet. I wish advice on which one to buy based on compatibility with a Samba 3 PDC (or Samba 4 DC, or IPA). Vendors I talked to tell me it won't work, I'd have to use Microsoft AD. Knowing the Linux and Windows side (protocols, software) this doesn't make sense to me, I'm guessing the sales people I talked to simply doesn't know and doesn't want to learn. And it's not easy to tell the boss I'll buy a somewhat expensive box (for a small business) just to hack and see if it'll work the way I want. :-( It would help if you simply tell me which NAS you had success and which one was easier, out-of-the-box, or had to hack. []s, Fernando Lozano It seems common that vendors (esp the sales guys) assume you are running Windows 200x and AD.I think the logic is that none of our customers use linux so we won't support it. It becomes self-fulfilling when anyone wanting something besides the basic Windows AD support looks for other solutions. Getting samba to work sometimes requires fiddling with protocol versions, WINS and DNS. For example windows 7 won't work with Samba 3.x until you tweek the registry. You can probably put together a price-comparable equivalent of the Buffalo using a white-box PC tower and linux. You can even set up software raid. It is more likely to work the way you want than a NAS box. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi Gaiseric, It seems common that vendors (esp the sales guys) assume you are running Windows 200x and AD.I think the logic is that none of our customers use linux so we won't support it. It becomes self-fulfilling when anyone wanting something besides the basic Windows AD support looks for other solutions. Exactly my problem. Lasy vendors. ;-) Getting samba to work sometimes requires fiddling with protocol versions, WINS and DNS. For example windows 7 won't work with Samba 3.x until you tweek the registry. You can probably put together a price-comparable equivalent of the Buffalo using a white-box PC tower and linux. You can even set up software raid. It is more likely to work the way you want than a NAS box. I have no problem with that. Have been doing this for years and my employee is happy with the results. I'm afraid the NAS box won't give access to tweaking its configuration. But you know, everyone buys NASes today, it's getting harder to explaing a common PC would be better. Here a server box with a RAID controller and a hot-swappable disk bays is way more expensive than an iomega NAS in a rack form factory. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: But you know, everyone buys NASes today, it's getting harder to explaing a common PC would be better. Here a server box with a RAID controller and a hot-swappable disk bays is way more expensive than an iomega NAS in a rack form factory. I've found the performance of those cheap NAS boxes (even the cheap ones are relatively expensive) to be sub-par. Most of them max out at a few MB/second. A reasonable set of hardware in a 2U with hot-swap drives will absolutely smoke a cheap NAS and the price/performance ratio is much better. Plus, you can use ZFS/BTRFS/etc as your backing store if you'd like on your own dedicated box. -- Peace and Blessings, -Scott. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Al 11/07/13 18:43, En/na Fernando Lozano ha escrit: Hi Tony, RE: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba I've had experience with a Western Digital MyBook Live DUO, and it does NOT support any type of network authentication. Users must be created and deleted on that device. Thanks. May good for home use, but not for my employee. Anyway a vendor told me this works with linux but was unable to give details about authentication. If it may interest you, I tried a couple of lacie devices (a 5big and a network space 2) and, while they use linux+samba, their interface only allows joining an AD domain. I hacked the network space by replacing the stock firmware with debian so I could join it to my samba 3 domain. I didn't bother to modify the 5big (no easy way to do it a the time and the changes made via a backdoor shell would be reverted on boot), so we're using it as an unauthenticated data store (for standard software, catalogues, etc.). Bye -- Luca Olivetti Wetron Automation Technology http://www.wetron.es Tel. +34 935883004 Fax +34 935883007 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
If you use raid you should either use a true hardware raid (e.g from LSI or Adaptec) or true software raid. The firmware raid (aka fake raid) included on some motherboards is just asking for trouble.For the price of the true hardware raid card you might as well stick with software raid. Hot swap bays for SATA disks that you can use with a tower PC fairly cheap. http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/mobilerack/CSE-M35T-1.cfm Don't cheap out of the disks though.Get 7200 RPM server or raid disks. I set up something Solaris which gave me the benefits of ZFS. If you don't need the zfs functionality I would stick with a linux distro that are comfortable with. Supermicro (and other) also was a range for whitebox tower and servers that are cheaper than buying from Dell or HP.Of course there is no customer support or extended warranty. On 07/11/13 12:59, Scott Lovenberg wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: But you know, everyone buys NASes today, it's getting harder to explaing a common PC would be better. Here a server box with a RAID controller and a hot-swappable disk bays is way more expensive than an iomega NAS in a rack form factory. I've found the performance of those cheap NAS boxes (even the cheap ones are relatively expensive) to be sub-par. Most of them max out at a few MB/second. A reasonable set of hardware in a 2U with hot-swap drives will absolutely smoke a cheap NAS and the price/performance ratio is much better. Plus, you can use ZFS/BTRFS/etc as your backing store if you'd like on your own dedicated box. -- Peace and Blessings, -Scott. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 01:03 -0300, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? One of the many reasons to upgrade to a Samba 4.0 AD DC is that if a NAS doesn't work with a Samba 4.0 AD DC, then it's a bug we will fix. I work on a NAS product myself, and at this vendor and my previous vendor Samba 4.0 as an AD DC was all I ever needed to use to test the AD integration features of the NAS. Thanks, Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartletthttp://samba.org/~abartlet/ Authentication Developer, Samba Team http://samba.org -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself. So I'm asking if someone there has had any real experience, be it using Fedora, CentOS or RHEL as the Samba3 PDC or Samba4 DC. PS: I'm cross-posting because I asked before on the samba mailing list and nobody cared to answer. Or nobody has had any real experience. I'm hoing many sysadmins on the Fedora list also works on companies with RHEL or CentOS and had a real experience to share. []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself. a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:17:56PM -0500, Chris Weiss wrote: a cheaper nas will probably use samba, Or a very expensive one :-). Samba is used mainly in the low end NAS (due to cost), or extremely high end NAS (due to flexibility for the vendor to make it do *anything* :-) but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. Sure, but non available to buy as a software-only product to my knowledge. They all come with hardware attached :-). Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba
Hi Cris, Hi there, Has anyone tried to configure a NAS server to authenticate users using a Samba PDC, or even a Samba4 DC (AD-compatible) or an IPA server? not in a while, but I have done a samba 3 DC This was not my question. I'm ok running samba 3 DCs. :-) Have you ever configured a NAS so it would authenticate users from your Samba DC and them serve SMB file shares (aka network drives) to Windows desktops? I'm evaluating replacing some Linux file server for a NAS product, but all them make me nervous when the vendor talks about Active Directory support and nothing else. if 3rd party support is your concern, why are you using fedora instead of RHEL? Are you trying to sell me RHEL subscriptions or help me with my question? ;-) Anything wrong about asking about Fedora on a Fedora list, or any server issue is forbidden for Fedora users? ;-) AFAIK it shouldn't matter, from a technical perspective, if the samba DC runs Fedora, Debian, Slackware, RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, Solaris, whatever. I am not talking about OS level FC drivers or iSCSI initiators. Either a NAS will be compatible with Samba3, Samba4, both or neither. This depends on the SMB and MSRPC features needed by the NAS, all them application level protocols, not kernel modules. If I'll need Red Hat support for managing this system is another, unrelated, question. If the NAS vendors state they suṕport RHEL, that's not que question either, as supporting RHEL could mean the RHEL linux kernel smbfs and cifsfs driver talks to the NAS, not the NAS talks to the Samba DC. Or else, RHEL support may mean just that the NAS talks NFS and so a RHEL machine can mount volumes from tne NAS. That's not what I want. Most times I see linux servers they are simply members of a MSAD domain, not the DC themselves. But mine are. All vendors I talked to assume MSAD, and don't know about Samba. :-( Anyway Fedora is my desktop system and development workstation. The DC in question runs RHEL. But if this works I can try someday using Fedora or CentOS with the same (or other) NAS. In theory, many NASes are Linux boxes running samba, so there shouldn't be a problem, except if the web admin interface won't support a samba DC setup and I won't have SSH access to configure the NAS samba myself a cheaper nas will probably use samba, but not all NASs do. there are several commercial SMB/CIFS implementation out there. At least iomega/lenovo/emc state their NAS runs Samba. And a lot of less know vendors also. I'll buy a single, cheap NAS, not a high end EMC rack full of boxes. :-) But... will any NAS you know work with a Samba DC, or else, using an IPA server? Or will they only work with Microsoft Windows Server AD? All vendors I contacted talk only about MS Active Directory. They don't even know about NT4-style domains, which would mean a Samba3 DC should work. Besides, AFAIK a Samba4 DC isn't supported by RHEL at all -- that's why I included IPA in my question -- I'd have to use Sernet packages for Samba4. Even then, Samba4 is very new, I don't know if a NAS implementation would accept it in place of a MSAD DC. Most vendors talk to me about vmware, exchange and sql server support. They offer me windows-only backup servers and the like. Some even offer me SAP R/3 agents, while my ERP is another one. They can only follow their standard script for windows shops. So I ask for the collective knowledge from the Fedora and Samba lists... can anyone tell me I tried this NAS and it worked? Or should I better forget about this and keep using cheap intel boxes as file servers? Am I the first linux sysadmin in the world who's considering to have a NAS replacing some file servers but keeping his samba DCs? []s, Fernando Lozano -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
