Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com schreibt: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) birgit.ber...@oeh.univie.ac.at wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. Why don't the netbios names match the DNS names? Is your VPN not setting your default domain names? the computer names are exactly the same as the names registered in DNS. e.g. hostname PC5 the entry in DNS ist PC5.oeh.univie.ac.at so it should work. but it doesn't. windows 7 and windows xp computers cannot join the domain. (unless i set a WINS server in the tcp/ip settings on each client. Then they can join the domain and machine accounts are created.) Without WINS server set in the tcp/ip settings on each client I get the error message (see below), when I try to join the domain in Computer-Eigenschaften-Einstellungen ändern-Ändern-Domäne (where I type the domain name)-OK (The error message in win XP is exactly the same as the one in windows 7) Why does it necessarily ask for a WINS server? it should be possible without WINS server, shouldn't it? Or do I have to use WINS server when I user samba in a VE (openvz) with venet? And why DNS isn't enough for joining client machines to the domain? dcdiag.txt: Der Domänenname OEH ist möglicherweise ein NetBIOS-Domänenname. Sollte dies der Fall sein, stellen Sie sicher, dass der Name bei WINS registriert ist. Wenn Sie sicher sind, dass es sich nicht um einen NetBIOS-Domänennamen handelt, können folgende Informationen bei der Behandlung von Problemen mit der DNS-Konfiguration behilflich sein: Der folgende Fehler ist beim Abfragen von DNS über den Ressourceneintrag der Dienstidentifizierung (SRV) aufgetreten, der zur Suche eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers für die Domäne OEH verwendet wird: Fehler: Der DNS-Name ist nicht vorhanden. (Fehlercode 0x232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR) Es handelt sich um die Abfrage des Dienstidentifizierungseintrags (SRV) für _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.OEH. Häufigste Fehlerursachen: - Die zum Ermitteln eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers (AD DC) erforderlichen DNS-SRV-Einträge wurden nicht in DNS registriert. Diese Einträge werden automatisch bei einem DNS-Server registriert, wenn ein Active Directory-Domänencontroller einer Domäne hinzugefügt wird. Die Einträge werden vom Active Directory-Domänencontroller zu festgelegten Intervallen aktualisiert. Dieser Computer wurde zum Verwenden von DNS-Servern mit den folgenden IP-Adressen konfiguriert: 131.130.1.12 131.130.1.11 - Mindestens eine der folgenden Zonen enthalten keine Delegierung zu dieser untergeordneten Zone: OEH . (die Stammzone) == So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
Did you set in your registry: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters] DomainCompatibilityMode=dword:0001 DNSNameResolutionRequired=dword: Which version of samba do you use? With samba4 you do not use any wins anymore. --- EDV Daniel Müller Leitung EDV Tropenklinik Paul-Lechler-Krankenhaus Paul-Lechler-Str. 24 72076 Tübingen Tel.: 07071/206-463, Fax: 07071/206-499 eMail: muel...@tropenklinik.de Internet: www.tropenklinik.de --- -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] Im Auftrag von Birgit Berger (UV Wien) Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2012 15:12 An: nka...@gmail.com Cc: samba@lists.samba.org Betreff: Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0? Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com schreibt: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) birgit.ber...@oeh.univie.ac.at wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. Why don't the netbios names match the DNS names? Is your VPN not setting your default domain names? the computer names are exactly the same as the names registered in DNS. e.g. hostname PC5 the entry in DNS ist PC5.oeh.univie.ac.at so it should work. but it doesn't. windows 7 and windows xp computers cannot join the domain. (unless i set a WINS server in the tcp/ip settings on each client. Then they can join the domain and machine accounts are created.) Without WINS server set in the tcp/ip settings on each client I get the error message (see below), when I try to join the domain in Computer-Eigenschaften-Einstellungen ändern-Ändern-Domäne (where I type the domain name)-OK (The error message in win XP is exactly the same as the one in windows 7) Why does it necessarily ask for a WINS server? it should be possible without WINS server, shouldn't it? Or do I have to use WINS server when I user samba in a VE (openvz) with venet? And why DNS isn't enough for joining client machines to the domain? dcdiag.txt: Der Domänenname OEH ist möglicherweise ein NetBIOS-Domänenname. Sollte dies der Fall sein, stellen Sie sicher, dass der Name bei WINS registriert ist. Wenn Sie sicher sind, dass es sich nicht um einen NetBIOS-Domänennamen handelt, können folgende Informationen bei der Behandlung von Problemen mit der DNS-Konfiguration behilflich sein: Der folgende Fehler ist beim Abfragen von DNS über den Ressourceneintrag der Dienstidentifizierung (SRV) aufgetreten, der zur Suche eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers für die Domäne OEH verwendet wird: Fehler: Der DNS-Name ist nicht vorhanden. (Fehlercode 0x232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR) Es handelt sich um die Abfrage des Dienstidentifizierungseintrags (SRV) für _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.OEH. Häufigste Fehlerursachen: - Die zum Ermitteln eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers (AD DC) erforderlichen DNS-SRV-Einträge wurden nicht in DNS registriert. Diese Einträge werden automatisch bei einem DNS-Server registriert, wenn ein Active Directory-Domänencontroller einer Domäne hinzugefügt wird. Die Einträge werden vom Active Directory-Domänencontroller zu festgelegten Intervallen aktualisiert. Dieser Computer wurde zum Verwenden von DNS-Servern mit den folgenden IP-Adressen konfiguriert: 131.130.1.12 131.130.1.11 - Mindestens eine der folgenden Zonen enthalten keine Delegierung zu dieser untergeordneten Zone: OEH . (die Stammzone) == So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
muel...@tropenklinik.de schreibt: Did you set in your registry: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters] DomainCompatibilityMode=dword:0001 DNSNameResolutionRequired=dword: yes. it is set Which version of samba do you use? With samba4 you do not use any wins anymore. 3.5.6 --- EDV Daniel Müller Leitung EDV Tropenklinik Paul-Lechler-Krankenhaus Paul-Lechler-Str. 24 72076 Tübingen Tel.: 07071/206-463, Fax: 07071/206-499 eMail: muel...@tropenklinik.de Internet: www.tropenklinik.de --- -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] Im Auftrag von Birgit Berger (UV Wien) Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2012 15:12 An: nka...@gmail.com Cc: samba@lists.samba.org Betreff: Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0? Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com schreibt: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) birgit.ber...@oeh.univie.ac.at wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. Why don't the netbios names match the DNS names? Is your VPN not setting your default domain names? the computer names are exactly the same as the names registered in DNS. e.g. hostname PC5 the entry in DNS ist PC5.oeh.univie.ac.at so it should work. but it doesn't. windows 7 and windows xp computers cannot join the domain. (unless i set a WINS server in the tcp/ip settings on each client. Then they can join the domain and machine accounts are created.) Without WINS server set in the tcp/ip settings on each client I get the error message (see below), when I try to join the domain in Computer-Eigenschaften-Einstellungen ändern-Ändern-Domäne (where I type the domain name)-OK (The error message in win XP is exactly the same as the one in windows 7) Why does it necessarily ask for a WINS server? it should be possible without WINS server, shouldn't it? Or do I have to use WINS server when I user samba in a VE (openvz) with venet? And why DNS isn't enough for joining client machines to the domain? dcdiag.txt: Der Domänenname OEH ist möglicherweise ein NetBIOS-Domänenname. Sollte dies der Fall sein, stellen Sie sicher, dass der Name bei WINS registriert ist. Wenn Sie sicher sind, dass es sich nicht um einen NetBIOS-Domänennamen handelt, können folgende Informationen bei der Behandlung von Problemen mit der DNS-Konfiguration behilflich sein: Der folgende Fehler ist beim Abfragen von DNS über den Ressourceneintrag der Dienstidentifizierung (SRV) aufgetreten, der zur Suche eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers für die Domäne OEH verwendet wird: Fehler: Der DNS-Name ist nicht vorhanden. (Fehlercode 0x232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR) Es handelt sich um die Abfrage des Dienstidentifizierungseintrags (SRV) für _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.OEH. Häufigste Fehlerursachen: - Die zum Ermitteln eines Active Directory-Domänencontrollers (AD DC) erforderlichen DNS-SRV-Einträge wurden nicht in DNS registriert. Diese Einträge werden automatisch bei einem DNS-Server registriert, wenn ein Active Directory-Domänencontroller einer Domäne hinzugefügt wird. Die Einträge werden vom Active Directory-Domänencontroller zu festgelegten Intervallen aktualisiert. Dieser Computer wurde zum Verwenden von DNS-Servern mit den folgenden IP-Adressen konfiguriert: 131.130.1.12 131.130.1.11 - Mindestens eine der folgenden Zonen enthalten keine Delegierung zu dieser untergeordneten Zone: OEH . (die Stammzone) == So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) birgit.ber...@oeh.univie.ac.at wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. Why don't the netbios names match the DNS names? Is your VPN not setting your default domain names? So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working condition should be perfectly sufficient for your day to day Samba (and other networking) needs. I've been running Samba without nmbd enabled for a few years now (with Windows XP, Windows 7 and GNU/Linux as clients) and did not run into any problems becasue of that. Grüße aus und nach Wien ;) -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hello again, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns That's fine - you don't want anything reagrding winbind or WINS in there, since you don't have proper name resolution set up over that kind of protocol/service. Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? Just stick with what you got - vnet will be fine. Have a nice day! -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. Birgit Berger EDV-Administratorin an der ÖH Uni Wien http://www.oeh.univie.ac.at/arbeitsbereiche/edv.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working condition should be perfectly sufficient for your day to day Samba (and other networking) needs. I've been running Samba without nmbd enabled for a few years now (with Windows XP, Windows 7 and GNU/Linux as clients) and did not run into any problems becasue of that. Grüße aus und nach Wien ;) -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hello again, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns That's fine - you don't want anything reagrding winbind or WINS in there, since you don't have proper name resolution set up over that kind of protocol/service. Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? Just stick with what you got - vnet will be fine. Have a nice day! -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. Birgit Berger EDV-Administratorin an der ÖH Uni Wien http://www.oeh.univie.ac.at/arbeitsbereiche/edv.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
If you don't use WINS, and you are trying to log into the domain, the client will broadcast for a DC server. This normally works OK if everything is on the same LAN. If broadcast doesn't work, the using WINS helps find the DC's- since the WINS database on the WINS server includes name-to-ip entries for DC's as well as hosts. For simpler things like connecting to network shares , Windows clients can use dns to find machine names. So if you want to map a user drive (e.g. net use R: \\someserver\someshare) this should work fine with out wins. Afterall, the client is doing all the name resolution. This is supposing of course that the servers IP name and netbios name are the same. however, in practice there does seem to be a server side issue.I have several samba servers and I ran into the following problem: from a VPN client, I could use net use \\server1_hostname and net use \\server2_hostname to connect to shared resources. I could NOT use net use \\server3_hostname. VPN clients did not use WINS, and NETBIOS broadcasts were blocked for VPN clients, even tho the VPN client appeared to be on the same subnet.VPN clients could resolve host names via DNS. They could even connect with net use \\server3_IP_address. Packet captures showed that the clients were in fact reaching server3_hostname but that server3 would not respond. The server should NOT be attempting to resolve the client names but, for some reason, it was. On 08/10/12 14:44, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working condition should be perfectly sufficient for your day to day Samba (and other networking) needs. I've been running Samba without nmbd enabled for a few years now (with Windows XP, Windows 7 and GNU/Linux as clients) and did not run into any problems becasue of that. Grüße aus und nach Wien ;) -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hello again, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
thank you for your responses! gaiseric.van...@gmail.com schreibt: If you don't use WINS, and you are trying to log into the domain, the client will broadcast for a DC server. This normally works OK if everything is on the same LAN. If broadcast doesn't work, the using WINS helps find the DC's- since the WINS database on the WINS server includes name-to-ip entries for DC's as well as hosts. everything is on the same subnet. with WINS everything works fine as I already wrote. I just got the recommendation to not use WINS in the former answers to this thread. I'd love to hear from a guy or woman who has the same setup as I have what they do. My setup, that is samba 3.5.6 server in an openvz container (virtual machine) on a debian squeeze host system. the openvz container uses venet which means broadcasting doesn't work in venet. Do you guys use WINS too (indicate it in very windows client in TCP/IP settings?) or do you use veth instead of venet (so not to use WINS) or what do you guys and girls do? For simpler things like connecting to network shares , Windows clients can use dns to find machine names. So if you want to map a user drive (e.g. net use R: \\someserver\someshare) this should work fine with out wins. Afterall, the client is doing all the name resolution. This is supposing of course that the servers IP name and netbios name are the same. exactly. it does. however, in practice there does seem to be a server side issue.I have several samba servers and I ran into the following problem: from a VPN client, I could use net use \\server1_hostname and net use \\server2_hostname to connect to shared resources. I could NOT use net use \\server3_hostname. VPN clients did not use WINS, and NETBIOS broadcasts were blocked for VPN clients, even tho the VPN client appeared to be on the same subnet.VPN clients could resolve host names via DNS. They could even connect with net use \\server3_IP_address. Packet captures showed that the clients were in fact reaching server3_hostname but that server3 would not respond. The server should NOT be attempting to resolve the client names but, for some reason, it was. I don't use VPN, so this doesn't concern my setup. On 08/10/12 14:44, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: sorry, to bother you again. I cannot join win7 or winXP clients to my samba domain sever located on a debian server in a VE (openvz) unless I set up the server and clients to use WINS. But the recommendation is not to use WINS. openvz natively uses venet. venet makes broadcasting impossible. I guess DNS is sufficient for name-IP resolution but not for NetBios name-IP resolution (it doesn' know name types and maybe that's why it cannot find DMB and logon server?) and that's why my win7 and winXP clients cannot join the domain. So given my virtual server setup with openvz, do you rather suggest to use WINS or to set up veth so I can use normal broadcasting? Or are there other ways to do name resolution with a samba server installed in a VE container which I oversaw. I'm a newbie and netbios name resolution is hard to understand. so I would be very happy to get any suggestions from people already using samba server in an open vz container do you guys use venet or veth or do you just activate WINS? birgit === thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working
[Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? What are your suggestions? kind regards, Birgit Berger EDV-Administratorin an der ÖH Uni Wien http://www.oeh.univie.ac.at/arbeitsbereiche/edv.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working condition should be perfectly sufficient for your day to day Samba (and other networking) needs. I've been running Samba without nmbd enabled for a few years now (with Windows XP, Windows 7 and GNU/Linux as clients) and did not run into any problems becasue of that. Grüße aus und nach Wien ;) -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? regards, birgit Johannes Truschnigg johan...@truschnigg.info schreibt: Hi Birgit, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: I'm new to the list. hopefully my question is correctly placed here... I'd installed my samba server 3.5.6 on debian squeeze in a openvz container that uses venet. I'd love to keep it that way but I'm not sure if that is ok. Do you use samba server with venet or do I have to change to veth? I already read http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth and I don't want to intall shorewall in every container (VE). Also venet seems easier to administrate and is faster. I read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/diagnosis.html and nmblookup (chapters 4,5,6 and 10) doesn't work. This is because of venet, I suppose. Because with venet broadcasting doesn't work. But do I really need it for the Samba server or can I just use DNS (on other servers than the samba server) and WINS server (on the samba server)? Can I stick to venet or should I use veth? Do you have clients on the network that you know absolutely require WINS for resolving names? (I'd actually have a hard time believing that, but who knows...) Other than that, not having WINS but DNS as its modern and sensible replacement in working condition should be perfectly sufficient for your day to day Samba (and other networking) needs. I've been running Samba without nmbd enabled for a few years now (with Windows XP, Windows 7 and GNU/Linux as clients) and did not run into any problems becasue of that. Grüße aus und nach Wien ;) -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samber server in openvz container - venet oder veth0?
Hello again, On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Birgit Berger (UV Wien) wrote: thank you Johannes. no, I don't really need WINS but it was the only way I could join clients to the domain so far. so I activated it. DNS should be available and working too. /etc/nsswitch.conf looks like this: hosts: files dns That's fine - you don't want anything reagrding winbind or WINS in there, since you don't have proper name resolution set up over that kind of protocol/service. Can I use venet with samba or should I change to veth? Just stick with what you got - vnet will be fine. Have a nice day! -- with best regards: - Johannes Truschnigg ( johan...@truschnigg.info ) www: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/ phone: +43 650 2 17 xmpp: johan...@truschnigg.info Please do not bother me with HTML-email or attachments. Thank you. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
