Re: [SC-L] bumper sticker slogan for secure software

2006-07-21 Thread Dana Epp
Actually, Brian Shea got the points for emailing me that he knew it was the system error Access Denied. An extra 10 points goes to Andrew van der Stock for his explaination that: apparently the term originates from radio, where 5x5 means good reception and good signal strength (in that order).

Re: [SC-L] Bumper sticker definition of secure software

2006-07-21 Thread mikeiscool
On 7/21/06, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Brian A. Shea: My slogan: Unsecured Applications = Unsecured Business Which is completely acceptable if you and your business partners are aware of the risk level at which your are running your company. Secure software costs more,

Re: [SC-L] bumper sticker slogan for secure software

2006-07-21 Thread der Mouse
What is important is that some magic formal tool could say that some code in language A, where bug of type k is possible, is not equivalent to the version in language B, where type k bugs are impossible, ergo you have found a type k bug (in the absence of any other bug in that section of

Re: [SC-L] bumper sticker slogan for secure software

2006-07-21 Thread mikeiscool
On 7/21/06, Dana Epp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. but none of this changes the fact that it IS possible to write completely secure code. -- mic And it IS possible that a man will walk on Mars someday. But its not practical or realistic in the society we live in today. I'm sorry mic,

Re: [SC-L] bumper sticker slogan for secure software

2006-07-21 Thread John Wilander
I've actually been using a secure software slogan for a few years, both in teaching and in pitching business. It's taken from Howard and LeBlanc's book Writing Secure Code: - Security features are not secure features - The statement mesmerizes people and aguably needs a necessarily to be more

[SC-L] Administrivia: Bumper Stickers

2006-07-21 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
Greetings SC-L, It's been a busy couple of days here on SC-L. The bumper sticker thread, in particular, has obviously generated a *lot* of (useful and interesting) discussion. While I'm reluctant to stop legitimate and open debate of opinions, I think that it's fair to say that this

Re: [SC-L] bumper sticker slogan for secure software

2006-07-21 Thread Mark Graff
There's another point to consider, when talking about whether True Security is Possible. And I have to say I've never been happy with the forms I've found so far to express it... Security, in many cases, decays. It's like what we used to call, in the Old Days, bit rot. Software that has worked