Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was "ACM Queue - Content")

2004-07-12 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Blue Boar escribió: > Fernando Schapachnik wrote: > >I smell a discusion going nowhere. What is the point of teaching a > >languague? > >Teach them to program in a paradigm (better, in all of them, and give them > >the > >tools to mak

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was "ACM Queue - Content")

2004-07-08 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, ljknews escribió: > At 1:56 PM -0700 7/7/04, Dana Epp wrote: > > >I don't pick C for C's sake. I choose C because ON AVERAGE, most students will be > >exposed to C more than the languages you suggest. Especially in the majority on > >industries hiring students out of univ

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was "ACM Queue - Content")

2004-07-06 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, der Mouse escribió: > >>> I think over the past 40 years or so, as a discipline, we've failed > >>> rather miserably at teaching programming, period. > >> Right. But on the other hand, that's not surprising - [because > >> we've mostly not even _tried_ to teach programming,

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was "ACM Queue - Content")

2004-07-05 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, der Mouse escribió: > > In general, I don't think this is an issue that is unique to _secure_ > > programming (coding, design, etc.). I think over the past 40 years > > or so, as a discipline, we've failed rather miserably at teaching > > programming, period. > > Right. B

Re: [SC-L] Andy Tanenbaum on Linux's origins and security

2004-05-29 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Kenneth R. van Wyk escribió: > Andy Tanenbaum, the author of the MINIX operating system, recently posted an > opinion piece on the origins of Linux. It's a fascinating albeit somewhat > lengthy read -- see http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/ for the full text. People inter

Re: [SC-L] virtual server - security

2004-03-31 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
Working for an ISP in a previous life we used FreeBSD jails. There are kind-of-similar solutions for linux also (there's actually people in the list who sell them even). Good luck. En un mensaje anterior, Serban Gh. Ghita escribió: > Hello > > I am banging my head on the table every day, because

Re: [SC-L] Administrivia & Request: Aloha, the moderator is back

2004-03-29 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, jnf escribió: > in email and things of that nature), is simply that users are not > educated, and no one really attempts to make them educated- no program or > security will ever stop the end user who truly believes that porn.exe is > actually a picture of some naked girl