Re: [SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-30 Thread Brian Chess
> - So when a vendor says that they are focused on quality and not > security, and vice versa what exactly does this mean? We spend most of Chapter 2 of Secure Programming with Static Analysis describing the different problems that static analysis tools try to solve, and we show where we think all

Re: [SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-30 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| Most recently, we have met with a variety of vendors including but not | limited to: Coverity, Ounce Labs, Fortify, Klocwork, HP and so on. In | the conversation they all used interesting phrases to describe they | classify their competitors value proposition. At some level, this has | managed to

Re: [SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-30 Thread Robert C. Seacord
James, Bret- I agree with Bret that security and quality are inherently related (as well as many other system attributes). I think vendors (particularly sales guys) tend to reflect back to customers what they are hearing from other customers. So I think many customers go to these vendors asking

Re: [SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-30 Thread John Steven
James, Not dumb questions: an unfortunate situation. I do tool bakeoffs for clients a fair amount. I'm responsible for the rules Cigital initially sold to Fortify. I also attempt to work closely with companies like Coverity and understand deeply the underpinnings of that tool's engine. I've a f

Re: [SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-30 Thread Bret Watson
At 10:51 PM 29/08/2007, McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: >- So when a vendor says that they are focused on quality and not >security, and vice versa what exactly does this mean? I don't have a >great mental model of something that is a security concern that isn't a >predictor of quality. Likew

[SC-L] Really dumb questions?

2007-08-29 Thread McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
Most recently, we have met with a variety of vendors including but not limited to: Coverity, Ounce Labs, Fortify, Klocwork, HP and so on. In the conversation they all used interesting phrases to describe they classify their competitors value proposition. At some level, this has managed to confuse m